Amid corruption charges, is Israel's era of Netanyahu over?
2019-11-21 00:00:00


JUDY WOODRUFF: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahubecame the first sitting leader of Israel(1)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫(JUDY WOODRUFF):总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡(Benjamin Netanyahu)成为以色列的第一任现任领导人

to be indicted.(2)
被起诉。

The announcement came just a day after oppositionleader Benny Gantz lost his mandate to form(3)
反对派领导人本尼·甘茨(Benny Gantz)失去了成立总统的授权后一天

a unity government.(4)
统一政府。

Now Israel is entering a new phase of politicaluncertainty.(5)
现在,以色列正在进入政治不确定性的新阶段。

William Brangham examines the fallout.(6)
威廉·布朗汉姆(William Brangham)研究了后果。

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: In Israel today, two majorpolitical events converged.(7)
威廉·布朗汉姆(WILLIAM BRANGHAM):今天在以色列,发生了两个重大政治事件。

The sitting prime minister gets indicted atthe very same moment that his main challenger(8)
现任总理在其主要挑战者被起诉的同一时刻

misses his deadline to form a new government.(9)
错过了组建新政府的最后期限。

Now, for the next three weeks, any memberof the Israeli Knesset can try his or her(10)
现在,在接下来的三个星期中,以色列议会的任何成员都可以尝试

hand at forming a coalition government.(11)
组成联合政府。

If that fails, Israel will face its thirdelection in less than one year.(12)
如果失败,以色列将在不到一年的时间内面临第三次大选。

For more on these developments, I'm joinedby David Makovsky.(13)
有关这些发展的更多信息,我将由David Makovsky加入。

He's a distinguished fellow at the WashingtonInstitute for Near East Policy.(14)
他是华盛顿近东政策研究所的杰出研究员。

He's also the co-author of "Be Strong andof Good Courage," a book about Israeli leaders(15)
他还是《坚强与勇气》一书的作者,这本关于以色列领导人的书

who made historic decisions.(16)
做出历史性决定的人。

David, welcome back to the "NewsHour."(17)
大卫,欢迎回到“新闻时报”。

Obviously, a tremendous day for Israeli politics.(18)
显然,这是以色列政治的一天。

This indictment against Netanyahu has beenthreatened for months, but, today, it drops.(19)
对内塔尼亚胡的起诉已受到威胁数月之久,但如今已下降。

Can you remind us, what is the allegationagainst him?(20)
您能提醒我们,对他的指控是什么?

DAVID MAKOVSKY, Senior Fellow, WashingtonInstitute for Near East Policy: There's actually(21)
华盛顿近东政策研究所资深研究员DAVID MAKOVSKY:实际上有

three cases against him, and each one of thecases has components.(22)
三宗针对他的案件,每一宗案件都有组成部分。

The third case, which is the most seriousone because it includes bribery, is that there(23)
第三种情况是最严重的,因为它包括贿赂,是

would be regulatory favors of about $500 millionto the Bezeq utility, like the AT&T of Israel,(24)
像以色列AT&T这样的Bezeq公用事业公司将获得约5亿美元的监管优惠,

in return for the Bezeq Web site, you know,giving Netanyahu basically the keys to the(25)
作为对Bezeq网站的回报,您可以给Netanyahu基本上是

Web site.(26)
网站。

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: So, Netanyahu says -- hedenies all of this, says it's all lies.(27)
威廉·布朗汉姆(WILLIAM BRANGHAM):因此,内塔尼亚胡(Netanyahu)说-他否认所有这些,说那都是谎言。

DAVID MAKOVSKY: Right.(28)
DAVID MAKOVSKY:好的。

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: He says it's a politicalhit.(29)
WILLIAM BRANGHAM:他说这是政治上的打击。

He says it's time to investigate the investigators,which is certainly rhetoric we have heard(30)
他说是时候对调查人员进行调查了,这肯定是我们听说过的言论

here, stateside.(31)
在这里,在美国。

Is the evidence against him strong?(32)
反对他的证据是否有力?

Is this a legitimate case?(33)
这是合法案例吗?

DAVID MAKOVSKY: Look, I think the public thinksso.(34)
DAVID MAKOVSKY:看,我认为公众是这样认为的。

I mean, you have got 46 percent of the publicthat is calling on him to resign.(35)
我的意思是,您有46%的公众呼吁他辞职。

And they have heard a lot of this.(36)
他们听到了很多。

I think, look, it's one day, a very sad dayfor Israel, that a sitting prime minister(37)
我认为,对以色列来说,这是一天,对以色列来说是非常可悲的一天

is being indicted.(38)
被起诉。

At the same time, I think it's a really importantday, that Israel's legal law enforcement institutions(39)
同时,我认为这是非常重要的一天,以色列的法律执法机构

have proven to be resilient, despite a lotof partisan attacks.(40)
尽管遭到了党派的多次攻击,但事实证明,它具有韧性。

That's something that also resonates in ourown country.(41)
这在我们自己的国家也引起了共鸣。

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: As I mentioned before, thiscomes at an incredible moment in Israeli politics,(42)
威廉·布朗汉姆(WILLIAM BRANGHAM):正如我之前提到的,这是以色列政治中一个令人难以置信的时刻,

where his rival, Benny Gantz, has failed tocreate a coalition government of his own.(43)
他的竞争对手本尼·甘茨(Benny Gantz)未能建立自己的联合政府。

Netanyahu is now weakened.(44)
内塔尼亚胡现在被削弱了。

What happens?(45)
怎么了?

What do you foresee happening in the nextweeks and months?(46)
您预计接下来几周和几个月会发生什么?

DAVID MAKOVSKY: If this was -- Israeli politicswas a football game, we're now entering overtime.(47)
大卫·马科夫斯基(David MAKOVSKY):如果是的话-以色列政治是一场足球比赛,我们现在就要加班了。

There's, by law, a 21-day period that anyparty can put together a government.(48)
根据法律规定,任何一方均可组建政府,为期21天。

And, basically, there had been a lot of talkof a power-sharing arrangement between Gantz's(49)
而且,基本上,关于甘茨的

centrist government and the Likud on the right.(50)
中间派政府和右边的利库德河。

There have been two sticking points.(51)
有两个关键点。

What we don't know, whether the terms of thepower-sharing agreement, whether he goes first(52)
我们不知道权力分享协议的条款,他是否先

in that power-sharing agreement.(53)
在该权力共享协议中。

And in terms of the composition of the government,will it include Ultra Orthodox and settlers(54)
就政府的组成而言,它将包括超东正教徒和定居者

that Netanyahu has insisted upon?(55)
内塔尼亚胡一直坚持?

What we don't know is if today shifts thepolitical dynamic towards Gantz and forcing(56)
我们不知道的是,今天是否将政治动力转向了甘茨和强迫

Netanyahu to concede those two key pointsin the next 21 days.(57)
内塔尼亚胡(Natanyahu)在接下来的21天中承认了这两个关键点。

And if that is not the case, then there willbe, believe it or not, a third election.(58)
如果不是这样,那么,无论您是否相信,都将举行第三次选举。

The joke in Israel, Israelis like to see themselvesas the only democracy in the Middle East,(59)
以色列人开玩笑说,以色列人喜欢将自己视为中东唯一的民主国家,

but having three elections back to back isa bit ridiculous.(60)
但是背靠背进行三场选举有点荒谬。

(LAUGHTER)
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: I know there's a lot ofpeople that have lost a lot of money trying(61)
WILLIAM BRANGHAM:我知道有很多人在尝试中损失了很多钱

to bet against Bibi Netanyahu.(62)
投注Bibi Netanyahu。

Do you think, if you were a betting man, hesurvives this?(63)
您认为,如果您是一个博彩人,他会幸免于难?

DAVID MAKOVSKY: Look, he is an extraordinarypolitician.(64)
大卫·马科夫斯基(David MAKOVSKY):瞧,他是一位非凡的政治家。

He's a master communicator.(65)
他是主要的沟通者。

And it's hard to completely bet against him.(66)
很难完全反对他。

But if he would run for a third time as hisway out of this, he'd be now running at a(67)
但是,如果他第三次逃跑,他现在将以

-- it would be a much steeper climb.(68)
-这将是一个陡峭的攀登。

If I did have a bet, I think the Netanyahuera as we have seen it over certainly the(69)
如果我确实下了赌注,我认为内塔尼亚胡时代无疑是我们

last 10 years is coming to an end.(70)
最近的十年即将结束。

If he limps along in a power-sharing agreementfor another year, OK, but it's not under the(71)
如果他再续签一年的权力分享协议,可以,但是不在

terms that Netanyahu has dominated Israelipolitics over the last decade.(72)
内塔尼亚胡(Natanyahu)在过去十年中主导了以色列政治。

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: All right, David Makovsky,thank you very much.(73)
WILLIAM BRANGHAM:好的,David Makovsky,非常感谢。

DAVID MAKOVSKY: Delighted to be with you.(74)
DAVID MAKOVSKY:很高兴与您在一起。


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