Why Congress is likely to be even more divided this fall
2019-09-10 00:00:00


And I spoke late today with Senator Joe Manchin,who is one of the people involved in negotiations,(1)
我今天晚些时候与参议员Joe Manchin进行了交谈,他是参与谈判的人之一,

and he told me that he hears from the WhiteHouse that the staff there plans to present(2)
他告诉我,他从白宫听到那里的工作人员计划出席

a proposal to the president this week.(3)
本周向总统提出的建议。

But, Judy, it is not clear if the presidentis going to say a clear yes or no on that(4)
但是,朱迪,目前尚不清楚总统是否要对此明确表示肯定或否定

proposal.(5)
提案。

Manchin and others hope so, but we will waitand see.(6)
Manchin和其他人希望如此,但我们会拭目以待。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So much to keep track of, Lisa.(7)
JUDY WOODRUFF:跟踪,Lisa。

LISA DESJARDINS: Yes.(8)
LISA DESJARDINS:是的。

JUDY WOODRUFF: A lot on the plate.(9)
JUDY WOODRUFF:在盘子上很多。

But the other big cloud hanging over expectationsright now has to do with whether there's going(10)
但另一个悬在预期之上的大云现在与是否存在有关

to be a move toward proceeding with an impeachmentinquiry of the president.(11)
成为对总统进行弹劾调查的举动。

What are Democrats saying about that rightnow?(12)
现在民主党人对此有何看法?

LISA DESJARDINS: We have some good reportingfrom me and our producer Saher Khan also.(13)
LISA DESJARDINS:我们和我们的制片人Saher Khan也有一些很好的报道。

Democrats told us this morning in the House,on the Judiciary Committee, that they actually(14)
民主党人今天早上在众议院和司法委员会告诉我们,他们实际上是这样

want the move past or they would say expandpast the Mueller report with regards to impeachment.(15)
希望过去,或者他们会说要超越穆勒关于弹劾的报告。

They will now be investigating and focusingon other things involving the president.(16)
他们现在正在调查并关注涉及总统的其他事情。

As far as impeachment goes, though, they aregoing to change the process and they're going(17)
然而,就弹劾而言,他们将改变这个过程而且他们会继续前进

to allow themselves sort of some more powerswithin the Judiciary Committee.(18)
在司法委员会内允许自己更多的权力。

They will be taking a vote on that proceduralidea on Thursday.(19)
他们将在星期四对该程序性想法进行表决。

It's important because it would allow JerryNadler, the Democratic chairman of that committee,(20)
这很重要,因为它允许该委员会民主党主席杰里纳德勒,

more abilities to link any hearings to impeachmentif he wants.(21)
如果他愿意,可以将任何听证会与弹劾联系起来的能力更强。

His staff would have more power, perhaps attorneysto do behind-closed-doors questioning.(22)
他的工作人员将拥有更多的权力,也许是律师可以进行闭门审问。

And we do expect a slew of important witnessescoming up.(23)
我们确实希望有一大批重要的证人出现。

Now, is this an official impeachment inquiry?(24)
现在,这是官方的弹劾调查吗?

A court might say no.(25)
法院可能会说不。

Democrats are trying to say yes, but the majorityof Democrats want one.(26)
民主党人试图说是,但大多数民主党人都想要一个。

It's not clear if they have one or not.(27)
目前尚不清楚他们是否有一个。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So yet another issue, trade,Democrats, Congress figuring out what to do.(28)
JUDY WOODRUFF:还有另一个问题,贸易,民主党,国会搞清楚要做什么。

The president is pushing the Democrats toratify the U.S.-Mexico trade agreement.(29)
总统正在敦促民主党批准美墨贸易协定。

Meantime, you have got this trade war escalatingbetween China and the United States.(30)
与此同时,你们在中国和美国之间的贸易战已经升级。

Where do you see that moving?(31)
你在哪里看到移动?

LISA DESJARDINS: I think the first thing tofocus on is that U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade(32)
LISA DESJARDINS:我认为首先要关注的是美国 - 墨西哥 - 加拿大的贸易

deal, USMCA, because House Democrats, thepressure is on them from many sort of -- many(33)
交易,美国大按摩,因为众议院民主党人,他们的压力很多 - 很多

business interests, including agriculturalinterests, in swing districts for vulnerable(34)
商业利益,包括农业利益,在易受影响的地区

Democrats.(35)
民主党人。

They want to get this through.(36)
他们希望得到这个。

But House Democrats are not sure they likethe deal.(37)
但众议院民主党人并不确定他们是否喜欢这笔交易。

They're not sure it has enough protectionsfor workers in it.(38)
他们不确定它是否对工人有足够的保护。

So, these next few weeks, Judy, will be critical.(39)
因此,接下来的几个星期,朱迪,将是至关重要的。

My reporting, from talking to Democrats today,they're not quite sure what their strategy(40)
我的报道,从今天与民主党谈话,他们不太确定他们的战略是什么

is on this yet.(41)
就是这个。

JUDY WOODRUFF: OK.(42)
JUDY WOODRUFF:好的。

And very quickly, last thing I want to askabout, clock ticking on coming up with a way(43)
而且很快,最后我想问的问题是,时钟滴答作响

to fund the government.(44)
为政府提供资金。

What do you see there(45)
你在那看到什么

LISA DESJARDINS: Oh, just that.(46)
LISA DESJARDINS:哦,就是这样。

Let's fund the government.(47)
让我们为政府提供资金。

Right.(48)
对。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Quickly.(49)
JUDY WOODRUFF:很快。

LISA DESJARDINS: All right, quickly.(50)
LISA DESJARDINS:好的,很快。

The hope is -- and it looks like both theHouse and Senate, both parties are moving(51)
希望是 - 看起来像众议院和参议院,双方都在前进

towards just a continuing resolution to kindof punt this down the road, fund government(52)
只是继续解决这个问题,为政府提供资金支持

at the end of this month for maybe anothermonth or two, while they try and work out(53)
在本月底可能还有一两个月的时间,他们试着锻炼身体

a more detailed bill.(54)
一个更详细的法案。

But, today, Judy, there were many signs thatthat next debate is going to be worse than(55)
但是,今天,朱迪,有许多迹象表明下一次辩论会比这更糟糕

this one for two reasons.(56)
这有两个原因。

One, the topic of abortion has come up againand what funding is restricted or not for(57)
一,堕胎问题再次出现,资金是否有限制

abortion, and also the president's decisionto divert that funding from military projects(58)
堕胎,以及总统决定从军事项目转移资金

for the wall.(59)
为了墙。

That's a hot issue.(60)
这是一个热门话题。

And it's hard to figure out how they willget past it.(61)
并且很难弄清楚他们将如何超越它。

But they will try and delay that harder debate,if they can, until around Thanksgiving.(62)
但他们会尝试推迟那场艰难的辩论,如果可以的话,直到感恩节前后。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Lisa Desjardins, you had tohave your track shoes on today.(63)
JUDY WOODRUFF:Lisa Desjardins,你今天必须穿上你的运动鞋。

LISA DESJARDINS: Yes, I did.(64)
LISA DESJARDINS:是的,我做到了。

I wore flats today, yes.(65)
我今天穿平底鞋,是的。

(LAUGHTER)
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, the congressional agenda,as we know, depends in large part on President(66)
朱迪伍德夫:所以,正如我们所知,国会议程在很大程度上取决于总统

Trump's own priorities.(67)
特朗普自己的优先事项。

Our White House correspondent, Yamiche Alcindor,is back.(68)
我们的白宫记者Yamiche Alcindor回来了。

So, Yamiche, let's talk about some of this.(69)
所以,Yamiche,我们来谈谈其中的一些。

The president met with Republican lawmakerstoday.(70)
总统今天会见了共和党议员。

What are you learning about what, if anything,they agreed on how the proceed?(71)
你是在了解什么,如果有的话,他们就如何进行达成一致意见?

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, the big priority ofthis administration is, I'm told, to come(72)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:嗯,我被告知,这届政府的首要任务是来

up with some sort of gun law legislation.(73)
某种枪法立法。

I'm told that the president is thinking throughexactly what that's going to be.(74)
我被告知总统正在考虑到底会发生什么。

The White House wants to release a plan asearly as late this week or early next week.(75)
白宫希望最早在本周晚些时候或下周初发布一项计划。

And I'm told that the president wants to focuson mental health issues.(76)
而且我被告知总统希望专注于心理健康问题。

So, he's interested in either changing thelaw so that the background checks that people(77)
所以,他有兴趣改变法律,以便背景检查人

go through now federally, that that mightinclude some sort of mental health welfare(78)
现在联邦政府,可能包括某种心理健康福利

check.(79)
校验。

There is also this idea that the White Housemight come out with plan to strengthen and(80)
也有这样的想法,白宫可能会提出加强和改善的计划

make it harder for people who are having apossible mental breakdown to get a gun or(81)
使那些可能精神崩溃的人更难获得枪支或者枪支

keep their gun.(82)
保持他们的枪。

But White House officials have not been veryclear about what the president believes.(83)
但白宫官员对总统的看法并不十分清楚。

And Republicans on the Hill are really waitingfor the president to give them a strong sort(84)
山上的共和党人真的在等待总统给予他们强有力的支持

of direction about where he wants to go ongun legislation.(85)
关于他想要立法的地方的方向。

The other thing of note is that, as Lisa wastalking about impeachment procedures, this(86)
另一件值得注意的是,正如丽莎在谈论弹劾程序一样

White House is gearing up for a fight on impeachment.(87)
白宫正在准备打击弹劾。

They feel as though the impeachment proceduresthat are being possibly voted on in the House(88)
他们觉得好像弹劾程序可能在众议院投票

Judiciary Committee, that that's going tobe an affront to the president.(89)
司法委员会,这将是对总统的侮辱。

And they're ready the fight on that.(90)
而且他们已准备就此进行斗争。

They're also ready to fight on the idea thatthe president's White House aides and his(91)
他们也准备好对总统的白宫帮助和他的人的想法进行斗争

allies may be called up to the Hill.(92)
盟友可能会被召唤到希尔。

They're thinking through whether or not they'regoing to have some sort of privilege that(93)
他们正在思考他们是否会获得某种特权

they're going to assert there.(94)
他们会在那里断言。

So there is a lot the White House is strugglingwith, but the number one thing is on guns(95)
因此,白宫正在努力争取很多,但最重要的是枪支

and impeachment.(96)
和弹劾。

JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Yamiche, I want to askyou about the administration and science.(97)
JUDY WOODRUFF:而且,Yamiche,我想问你关于行政和科学的问题。

There has been this controversy over -- inthe last number of days about how this drawing(98)
在过去的几天里,关于如何绘制这一争议已经存在争议

appeared on a map of the weather of the HurricaneDorian, how bad it was going to hit the United(99)
出现在飓风多利安天气的地图上,它对美联航有多么糟糕

States, whether it was going to hit the stateof Alabama, which appeared in that drawing(100)
国家,无论它是否会袭击阿拉巴马州,该国出现在该图纸中

that we saw in the White House.(101)
我们在白宫看到的。

What are you hearing at the White House rightnow about these questions about whether the(102)
你现在在白宫听到的有关这些问题的问题是什么?

White House is interfering in the appropriaterole of agencies that conduct science?(103)
白宫是否在干涉进行科学研究的机构的适当角色?

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, this is an issue thatstarted off small that people thought was(104)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:嗯,这是一个人们认为很小的问题

going to go away and that the president hasessentially dragged on and on and on.(105)
要离开,总统基本上已经拖延了。

And the White House essentially says the presidentwas right and that people are making too much(106)
白宫基本上说总统是对的,人们做得太多了

of this.(107)
这个的。

But the head of the National Oceanic and AtmosphericAdministration came out and said, the weather(108)
但国家海洋和大气管理局局长出来说,天气

shouldn't be politicized.(109)
不应该被政治化。

And there is this idea that the commerce secretary,Wilbur Ross, was actually threatening employees(110)
有这样的想法,商务部长威尔伯罗斯实际上威胁员工

at NOAA to fall in line with the presidentand not talk about the fact that Alabama wasn't(111)
NOAA与总统保持一致,而不是谈论阿拉巴马州没有这样做的事实

going to be impacted by the hurricane.(112)
会受到飓风的影响。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So much for you to keep trackof, Yamiche, between John Bolton and all of(113)
JUDY WOODRUFF:你们要跟踪Yamiche,John Bolton和所有人之间的关系

this.(114)
这个。

Yamiche Alcindor at the White House, LisaDesjardins at the Capitol, thank you both.(115)
白宫的Yamiche Alcindor,国会大厦的Lisa Desjardins,谢谢你们俩。


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