How generic drug makers are responding to price-fixing lawsuit
2019-05-15 00:00:00


JOHN YANG: The drug companies named in thelawsuit have strongly denied any wrongdoing(1)
杨致远:诉讼中提到的制药公司强烈否认有任何不当行为

and have pledged to vigorously defend themselvesin court.(2)
并承诺在法庭上大力辩护。

Chip Davis is the chief executive officerof the trade group that represents the makers(3)
Chip Davis是代表制造商的贸易集团的首席执行官

of generic prescription drugs, the Associationfor Accessible Medicines.(4)
通用处方药,无障碍药物协会。

Mr. Davis, thanks so much for joining us.(5)
戴维斯先生,非常感谢您加入我们。

CHIP DAVIS, CEO, Association for AccessibleMedicines: Thanks for the opportunities to(6)
CHIP DAVIS,无障碍药物协会首席执行官:感谢有机会

be here.(7)
在这里

JOHN YANG: You heard what the attorney generalsaid, largest corporate cartel in history,(8)
杨YANG:你听说过司法部长所说的历史上最大的公司卡特尔,

overt, brazen collusion.(9)
公然,无耻的勾结。

What's your response?(10)
你的回答是什么?

CHIP DAVIS: Yes.(11)
芯片戴维斯:是的。

Again, well, thank you for having me.(12)
再次,好的,谢谢你拥有我。

My initial response to what General Tong saidis that facts are important here.(13)
我对汤将军所说的最初回应是,事实在这里很重要。

Conjecture isn't.(14)
猜想不是。

Speculation isn't.(15)
猜测不是。

Trying a case in the court of public opinionthat should be tried in the courts is not(16)
在法院审理应该在法院审理的案件不是

the way to ensure that patients have accessto safe, affordable, and effective medicine.(17)
确保患者获得安全,负担得起和有效药物的方法。

You even referenced in your introduction withthe general that nine out of every 10 prescriptions(18)
你甚至在你的介绍中提到了每10个处方中有9个处方

in the United States are now generic.(19)
在美国现在是通用的。

We just released on behalf of our membersa report that says that 90 percent of all(20)
我们刚刚代表我们的成员发布了一份报告,其中90%表示

prescription drugs are available for only22 percent of total cost to the health care(21)
处方药仅占医疗保健总费用的22%

prescription drug dollar.(22)
处方药美元。

That's an amazing value proposition that youcan't see anywhere else in health care.(23)
这是一个令人惊叹的价值主张,你无法在卫生保健的其他任何地方看到。

So to suggest that an entire industry is engagedin some sort of corporate criminal cartel(24)
因此,建议整个行业都参与某种公司犯罪卡特尔

is not just a disservice to the industry.(25)
不仅仅是对行业的伤害。

It's a disservice to the patients who relyon the industry.(26)
对依赖该行业的患者来说,这是一种伤害。

JOHN YANG: But he also pointed out that someof the data that the industry has pointed(27)
杨扬:但他也指出了该行业所指出的一些数据

out showing the decrease in generic drug prices...(28)
表明仿制药价格下跌......

CHIP DAVIS: Sure.(29)
芯片戴维斯:当然。

Yes, we put that out.(30)
是的,我们把它说出来。

JOHN YANG: ... that there was a spike.(31)
JOHN YANG:......有一个尖峰。

There was a spike from 2012 to 2014, whichis the period they're talking about that this(32)
从2012年到2014年出现了飙升,这是他们谈论这个问题的时期

activity took place.(33)
活动发生了。

CHIP DAVIS: Well, in your interview, whatI saw, it was very hard to tell if General(34)
芯片戴维斯:嗯,在你的采访中,我所看到的,很难说是否将军

Tong was talking about present day or a timeperiod that you just referenced, which the(35)
Tong正在谈论你刚引用的现在或一段时间

2011-to-'14 time frame.(36)
2011年到14年的时间框架。

Full candor, that preceded my time at theassociation.(37)
完全坦率,在我在协会的时间之前。

When I came, it was Generic PharmaceuticalAssociation.(38)
当我来的时候,它是通用药物协会。

We're now AAM.(39)
我们现在是AAM。

But here's what I will tell you.(40)
但这就是我要告诉你的。

The reference and the example he uses, becauseit's the drug he's on, doxycycline, he talks(41)
他说,他使用的参考和例子,因为它是他所服用的药物,强力霉素

about a price increase back in that time framethat had a significant percentage price increase.(42)
关于在价格显着上涨的时间范围内价格上涨的问题。

Now, remember, percentage price increasesoff of a low cost look different than a small(43)
现在,请记住,低成本的百分比价格增长看起来不同于小

percentage over a high-priced biologic drug.(44)
高价生物药物的百分比。

But do you know what the cost of doxycyclineis today?(45)
但是你知道强力霉素今天的成本是多少吗?

Fourteen dollars for a 30-day supply.(46)
为期30天的供应量为14美元。

He conveniently and the other attorney generalsconveniently leave out the fact that there(47)
他方便地和其他司法部长方便地忽略了那里的事实

have been 37 straight months of generic pricedeflation in this industry, in part because(48)
这个行业通用价格通缩连续37个月,部分原因是因为

of the evolution and the consolidation ofhealth care buyers.(49)
医疗保健买家的演变和整合。

This industry is actually facing real sustainabilitychallenges.(50)
该行业实际上面临着真正的可持续性挑战

They aren't focused on colluding with eachother.(51)
他们并不专注于相互勾结。

They're trying to figure out a way that theycan sustain their business operations, so(52)
他们试图找出一种能够维持业务运营的方式,所以

that patients can continue to benefit fromthe drugs that they provide.(53)
患者可以继续从他们提供的药物中受益。

JOHN YANG: What about getting back to someof the specifics of what Mr. Tong had to say?(54)
杨先生:回到汤先生所说的一些具体细节怎么样?

He said he has -- that they were able to subpoenain their investigation text messages, in which(55)
他说他有 - 他们能够在他们的调查短信中传唤,其中

discussions about price increases and theresponse by a particular manufacturer, and(56)
讨论价格上涨和特定制造商的反应,以及

then the response by the other manufacturersthat we will go along, we will play nice?(57)
然后其他制造商的回应我们会继续,我们会玩得好吗?

They talk about accepting their fair share,rather than competing.(58)
他们谈论接受他们的公平份额,而不是竞争。

CHIP DAVIS: Well, I can't comment on any ofthe specifics of the investigation.(59)
芯片戴维斯:嗯,我不能评论调查的任何细节。

AAM is not a party to it.(60)
AAM不是它的一方。

What I will stipulate too is that these areserious allegations.(61)
我还要规定的是,这些都是严重的指控。

And if there is any evidence of anti-competitivebehavior by a small subset of the industry,(62)
如果有一小部分行业存在反竞争行为的证据,

then that will ultimately be borne out andthose individuals and the companies they work(63)
然后,这最终将得到承认,那些个人和他们工作的公司

for will be held to account.(64)
将被追究责任。

But he talked about -- roughly about 100 drugs,if my memory serves me correctly.(65)
但他谈到 - 大约100种药物,如果我的记忆正确地为我服务。

On any given day, there are over 2,000 genericson the marketplace.(66)
在任何一天,市场上都有超过2,000种仿制药。

So that's -- that's 5 percent of the totalnumber of generics on the marketplace today,(67)
那就是 - 这是目前市场上仿制药总数的5%,

and a smaller percentage of the total of 10,000generics that have been approved by the Food(68)
并且在食品批准的10,000种仿制药中占较小比例

and Drug Administration over the years.(69)
和药物管理局多年来。

So, this effort in the public domain to castan entire industry, where -- and I have heard(70)
所以,这种努力在公共领域投下了整个行业,而且我听说过

him say that people wake up every day, goto their place of business and commit crimes(71)
他说人们每天都醒来,去他们的营业场所犯罪

-- I think that's actually, with respect tothe general, an irresponsible statement.(72)
- 对于将军来说,我认为实际上这是一种不负责任的陈述。

The members that I know and the people thatwork there get up every day with one mission(73)
我认识的成员和在那里工作的人每天都有一个任务

in mind.(74)
心里。

They want to make sure that they can go andproduce safe, high-quality, effective medicines(75)
他们希望确保他们能够生产安全,优质,有效的药物

at a price that patients can afford.(76)
以患者负担得起的价格。

There's no way you're 90 percent of scriptsand 22 percent of total costs unless that(77)
除非这样,否则你不可能有90%的脚本和22%的总成本

is your mission, pure and simple.(78)
是你的使命,纯粹而简单。

JOHN YANG: Chip Davis, CEO of the Associationfor Accessible Medicines, thank you very much.(79)
JOHN YANG:无障碍药品协会首席执行官Chip Davis,非常感谢。

CHIP DAVIS: Thank you for your time.(80)
芯片戴维斯:谢谢你的时间。


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