What voters across America are saying about impeachment
2019-11-27 00:00:00


JUDY WOODRUFF: Here in the nation's capital,pretty much all the attention is on impeachment,(1)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫(JUDY WOODRUFF):在美国首都,几乎所有的注意力都集中在弹each上,

but how is it being received in other partsof the country?(2)
但是在其他国家/地区如何收到呢?

We turn to three public media reporters tofind out.(3)
我们求助于三位公共媒体记者以进行查找。

Caitie Switalski is with WLRN.(4)
Caitie Switalski在WLRN工作。

It is South Florida's public radio station.(5)
它是南佛罗里达州的公共广播电台。

Mary Lahammer of Twin Cities PBS in Minneapolis,and Bente Birkeland of Colorado Public Radio.(6)
明尼阿波利斯双城PBS的Mary Lahammer和科罗拉多公共广播电台的Bente Birkeland。

Bente joins us from Minneapolis as well, whereshe is visiting for the holidays.(7)
Bente也从明尼阿波利斯(Minneapolis)加入我们,她将在此度假。

So, hello to all three of you.(8)
所以,对你们三个问好。

It's great to have you with us on the "NewsHour."(9)
能够与我们一起参加“新闻时报”真是太好了。

Bente, I'm going to start with you.(10)
本特,我将从你开始。

I know your home is Colorado, and that's whatI want to talk about.(11)
我知道你的家在科罗拉多州,这就是我想谈的。

When you talk to Colorado voters about what'sgoing on with impeachment, what do they say?(12)
当您与科罗拉多州选民谈谈弹what事件时,他们怎么说?

How much attention are they paying?(13)
他们要付出多少关注?

Are they interested in it?(14)
他们对此感兴趣吗?

BENTE BIRKELAND, Colorado Public Radio: Whenwe talk to voters across the political spectrum,(15)
本特·伯克兰(Bente Birkeland),科罗拉多州公共广播电台:当我们与各个政治领域的选民交谈时,

I was surprised how engaged people are andhow much they're paying attention.(16)
我很惊讶人们的参与度和关注程度。

A lot of people said they were going to watchthe public hearings live.(17)
许多人说他们将现场观看公开听证会。

Other people were planning to follow it closelyin the news.(18)
其他人正计划在新闻中密切关注它。

And people had a lot of opinions, but alsounderstood the nuance and were just very,(19)
人们有很多意见,但也了解细微差别,

very closely paying attention.(20)
非常关注。

JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Mary Lahammer, what aboutyou?(21)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫(JUDY WOODRUFF):而且,玛丽·拉罕默(Mary Lahammer),您呢?

I mean, your beat is Minnesota, the Twin Cities.(22)
我的意思是,你的对手是明尼苏达州的双城。

Are people -- are they following these hearings?(23)
人们-他们在听证会之后吗?

MARY LAHAMMER, Twin Cities PBS: Absolutely.(24)
玛丽·拉罕默(MARY LAHAMMER),双城PBS:绝对如此。

Minnesotans are always incredibly engagedin politics.(25)
明尼苏达州人总是难以置信地参与政治。

You know we lead the nation in voter turnout,and we're also politically divided.(26)
您知道我们在选民投票率上领先全国,而且在政治上也存在分歧。

We have one of, if not the only divided legislaturein the nation.(27)
如果不是全国唯一的分裂议会,我们就有一个。

And we're divided on impeachment too.(28)
而且我们在弹each方面也存在分歧。

The latest polls show not a majority for oragainst it.(29)
最新的民意调查显示,多数民众赞成或反对。

So, Minnesotans tend to run independent.(30)
因此,明尼苏达州人倾向于独立运作。

We have a libertarian streak.(31)
我们有一个自由主义者的连胜。

We know President Trump came close to winningMinnesota, just a percentage point-and-a-half(32)
我们知道,特朗普总统接近赢得明尼苏达州,只有一个半百分点

away.(33)
远。

He visited here last month.(34)
他上个月访问了这里。

He wants to be in contention.(35)
他想参与竞争。

But those same polls are showing that as muchas 10 points down on the presidential race.(36)
但是,这些民意测验显示,总统大选最多下降了10分。

May have a factor that we do have a Minnesotanin the race in Senator Amy Klobuchar.(37)
可能有一个因素使我们在参议员Amy Klobuchar的比赛中确实使用了Minnesotan。

JUDY WOODRUFF: You surely do.(38)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫:当然可以。

So, Caitie Switalski, President Trump cameto South Florida last night for a political(39)
因此,特朗普总统凯蒂·斯瓦塔尔​​斯基(Catie Switalski)昨晚来到南佛罗里达,参加政治活动

rally.(40)
团结。

You were there.(41)
你在那里。

You went to the rally.(42)
你去了集会。

And before I turn to you, I want to play forviewers just a bit of what the president had(43)
在求助于您之前,我想为观众们播放一下总统的演出

to say about the Democrats who are runningthis impeachment process.(44)
说说正在执行弹process程序的民主党人。

DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:They're pushing that impeachment witch-hunt.(45)
美国总统唐纳德·特鲁普(DONALD TRUMP):他们正在推动弹imp巫婆。

And a lot of bad things are happening to them,because you see what's happening in the polls?(46)
他们身上发生了很多坏事,因为您看到民意调查中正在发生什么?

Everybody said, that's really bull (EXPLETIVEDELETED).(47)
所有人都说,那真的很牛(完全删除)。

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Caitie, clearly a verypro-Trump crowd.(48)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫:凯蒂,显然是非常亲特朗普的人群。

They appeared not to think much of the impeachmentprocess.(49)
他们似乎没有过多考虑弹each过程。

But what did they tell you?(50)
但是他们告诉了你什么?

CAITIE SWITALSKI, WLRN: So, I think one ofthe interesting parts is that the Trump supporters(51)
凯蒂·史瓦塔尔斯基(WLIT):所以,我认为有趣的部分之一是特朗普的支持者

that are really worried about impeachmentare worried about it from the perspective(52)
真正担心弹imp的人从角度上担心它

that their vote could potentially be suppressedor taken away from the 2016 election, which(53)
他们的投票可能会受到压制或从2016年大选中被剥夺,

was a really interesting perspective I hadn'theard before.(54)
我以前从未听说过一个非常有趣的观点。

But last night, by and large, people are aligningimpeachment just like they are from the Stormy(55)
但是昨晚,总的来说,人们正在调整弹each,就像他们来自暴风雨一样

Daniels scandal or the Mueller report.(56)
丹尼尔斯丑闻或穆勒报告。

They're kind of thinking that this is oneother thing, something new that is going to(57)
他们以为这是另一回事,即将发生的新变化

blow up -- or blow over soon.(58)
炸毁-或很快炸毁。

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what about -- staying withyou, Caitie, what about voters you talked(59)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫(JUDY WOODRUFF):那-和你在一起,凯蒂(Catie),你谈论的选民呢?

to before this rally?(60)
到这次集会之前?

I mean, you have been interviewing votersover a number of days.(61)
我的意思是,您已经连续几天采访选民。

What's everybody -- what is everybody elsetelling you?(62)
大家好-别人都告诉您什么?

CAITIE SWITALSKI: Well, so, last night, therewas a huge group of 19,000 to 20,000 Trump(63)
凯蒂·斯威塔尔斯基(CAITIE SWITALSKI):那么,昨晚,有一大批19,000至20,000特朗普

supporters in Broward County, which is a very,very blue Democratic county, ahead of this(64)
在此之前,布劳沃德县的支持者是一个非常非常蓝的民主县

rally, but there was also a counter-Democraticprotest.(65)
集会,但也有反民主抗议活动。

So I think South Floridians are worried abouta couple of things here, but they are engaged(66)
所以我认为南佛罗里达人担心这里的几件事,但他们订婚了

in the impeachment process.(67)
在弹process过程中。

And one of the interesting things is, if they'renot watching it live, they have been seriously(68)
有趣的事情之一是,如果他们不现场观看它,他们会认真对待

following news recaps at the end of the dayto make sure that they at least know the gist.(69)
一天结束时,我们会跟踪新闻,以确保他们至少了解要旨。

I have had a lot of people tell me they'rereally relying on recaps.(70)
我有很多人告诉我他们真的是依靠回顾。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Bente Birkeland, I want tocome back to you in terms of how people are(71)
JUDY WOODRUFF:Bente Birkeland,我想再谈谈您的人

following this.(72)
按照此。

Do you find folks have their minds made up?(73)
您是否发现人们下定了决心?

Or are they still open-minded, waiting formore information?(74)
还是他们仍然思想开放,等待更多信息?

What do they say about that?(75)
他们怎么说?

BENTE BIRKELAND: I think it's a little bitof both.(76)
BENTE BIRKELAND:我认为两者都有一点。

Definitely, you have the pro-Trump supporters,who feel like this is just a waste of time,(77)
当然,您有亲特朗普的支持者,他们觉得这只是浪费时间,

and the government should move on, and peoplehave been trying to get Trump out of office(78)
政府应该继续前进,人们一直在努力使特朗普卸任

since the day he was elected.(79)
自从他当选以来。

And some Democrats, they know how they feel.(80)
还有一些民主党人,他们知道自己的感受。

They think there's already enough evidencefor impeachment.(81)
他们认为已经有足够的弹imp证据。

But I was surprised how many people are inthe middle, who were waiting to get more information.(82)
但是我很惊讶中间有多少人在等待获取更多信息。

I talked to a conservative woman who did notvote for Trump in the last election.(83)
我与一位上届选举中未投票支持特朗普的保守女性进行了交谈。

She voted third party.(84)
她投票给第三方。

And she said how lawmakers conduct themselvesduring this public phase will impact her vote,(85)
她说,议员在公开场合的行为方式将影响她的投票,

especially down-ticket.(86)
特别是机票。

We have a very competitive U.S. Senate race.(87)
我们在美国参议院竞争非常激烈。

Republican Cory Gardner is facing potentiallya tough challenge.(88)
共和党人科里·加德纳可能面临着艰巨的挑战。

And she said that could impact how she votesin the Senate race, when it moves to that(89)
她说,这可能会影响到参议院竞选的投票方式

phase, if it does.(90)
阶段(如果有)。

So it was -- you know, not everyone is setin their opinions on this.(91)
就是这样-您知道,并不是每个人都对此表示赞同。

And we found that with unaffiliated votersas well.(92)
而且我们发现,在没有隶属关系的选民中也是如此。

JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Mary Lahammer, what aboutthe Twin Cities, and what about Minnesota(93)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫(JUDY WOODRUFF):玛丽·拉罕默(Mary Lahammer),孪生城市又如何?明尼苏达州又如何呢?

people?(94)
人?

Set in stone on this, or still looking forinformation?(95)
坚决反对,还是仍在寻找信息?

MARY LAHAMMER: You know, I think there aresome looking for information.(96)
玛丽·拉默默(MARY LAHAMMER):您知道,我认为有些人正在寻找信息。

Our latest poll, Survey USA and KSTP, cameout with 45 percent of Minnesotans thinking(97)
我们最新的民意调查“美国调查”和“ KSTP”得出了45%的明尼苏达州人的想法

there was enough evidence to convict, and40 percent saying they're not; 15 percent(98)
有足够的证据定罪,有40%的人表示没有。 15%

either don't have an opinion or undecided.(99)
没有意见或犹豫不决。

I talked to one independent voters voter todaywho said he is still watching, watching everything(100)
我今天和一位独立选民进行了交谈,他说他仍在观看,观看所有节目

closely, watching as much of the hearingsas possible, to make up his mind.(101)
密切注意,尽可能多地听审,以决定自己的想法。

He said he's staying open-minded, really wantsto hear.(102)
他说他保持思想开放,真的很想听听。

Then I checked in with another independentvoter.(103)
然后,我与另一位独立选民签到。

We have a lot of them here.(104)
我们这里有很多。

And that independent voter said they're atcomplete fatigue.(105)
那个独立选民说,他们完全疲倦了。

They're done.(106)
他们完成了。

They're not watching.(107)
他们不在看。

They want to move on to issues.(108)
他们想继续讨论问题。

We are an issue-oriented populace here.(109)
在这里,我们是一个以问题为导向的民众。

And this voter want to hear about health care,cares a lot about health care.(110)
这个选民想听听医疗保健,非常关心医疗保健。

We have major employers, the world famousMayo Clinic here, the largest employer in(111)
我们有主要的雇主,这里有世界著名的梅奥诊所,是美国最大的雇主

the state of Minnesota, many, many healthcare companies, a lot of Fortune 500 companies.(112)
明尼苏达州有很多很多医疗保健公司,很多《财富》 500强公司。

We care about business.(113)
我们关心业务。

We care about health care.(114)
我们关心医疗保健。

It sounds like some have really kind of startedto reach a fatigue point on it.(115)
听起来有些人真的开始感到疲劳了。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Caitie Switalski, back to youin South Florida.(116)
JUDY WOODRUFF:Caitie Switalski,回到佛罗里达州南部。

What about this question of, across the board,voters still open to new information, new(117)
关于这个问题,全体选民仍然对新信息,新

facts, or pretty much set in their views?(118)
事实,或者几乎是他们的观点?

CAITIE SWITALSKI: I would say the voters Ihave spoken with are set in their views one(119)
凯蒂·斯威塔尔斯基(CAITIE SWITALSKI):我要说的是与他们交谈过的选民的观点。

way or the other.(120)
方式还是其他。

I think, especially for Democrats, keepingup with the impeachment hearings, a couple(121)
我认为,特别是对于民主党人来说,跟上弹imp听证会

of voters told me, now we know that there'sevidence.(122)
的选民告诉我,现在我们知道有证据。

Now we see our evidence, vs. Republicans -- Ithink a lot of Trump supporters I spoke with(123)
现在我们看到了与共和党人对抗的证据-我认为我与很多特朗普支持者交谈过

are really, really convinced that there'snot evidence.(124)
真的非常确信没有证据。

So I think both sides are seeing what theywant to see come from the impeachment proceedings,(125)
所以我认为双方都在从弹proceedings程序中看到他们想要看到的东西,

but they're still paying attention, even thoughthey're not necessarily coming across as open-minded.(126)
但是尽管他们不一定会以开放的态度面对面,但他们仍在关注。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Bente Birkeland, I want tocome back to you on the question of, are people(127)
JUDY WOODRUFF:Bente Birkeland,我想再问您一个问题

believing what they see and what they hear?(128)
相信他们所看到的和所听到的?

Do they think the process is being -- is beingconducted in a fair way, that it's on the(129)
他们是否认为该流程正在-是否以一种公平的方式进行了,

level?(130)
水平?

BENTE BIRKELAND: I think -- well, that onewas a little bit more partisan.(131)
本特·伯克兰(BENTE BIRKELAND):我认为-好吧,那里的游荡党有点多。

I think Republicans feel like the whole question,in and of itself, is -- is done in a partisan(132)
我认为共和党人感觉整个问题本身就是-由党派完成

way, and it shouldn't even be happening.(133)
方式,甚至都不应该发生。

And I think Democrats and more of the unaffiliatedvoters thought, look, this information has(134)
而且我认为民主党人和更多的独立选民认为,这些信息具有

come to light, and we need to get to the bottomof this.(135)
揭晓,我们需要深入了解这一点。

To echo of what Mary said, there is a senseof fatigue, even from Democrats who feel that(136)
为了回应玛丽所说的话,即使是民主党人也感到疲倦

the president should be impeached.(137)
总统应该被弹each。

They don't want this to drag on too long.(138)
他们不希望它拖得太久。

People are just really worn out and wary.(139)
人们真的很疲惫和警惕。

And a lot of folks, it's even hard to getthem to talk about this topic.(140)
和很多人一样,要让他们谈论这个话题甚至很难。

People said they try to keep their opinionsto themselves because they know how volatile(141)
人们说,他们努力保持自己的意见,因为他们知道自己的意见会多变

it can be and they know how divergent people'sopinions are.(142)
事实可能如此,他们知道人们的意见分歧如何。

So, in some sense, people are really interested,but they also want to move on.(143)
因此,从某种意义上说,人们确实很感兴趣,但他们也想继续前进。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Same thing, Mary Lahammer,Minnesota.(144)
JUDY WOODRUFF:同样的事情,明尼苏达州的Mary Lahammer。

Do you find people believe what they're watching?(145)
你发现人们相信他们在看什么吗?

Do they think this is a -- this is a fairprocess?(146)
他们是否认为这是一个公平的过程?

MARY LAHAMMER: I think it really depends onwhere you come from.(147)
玛丽·拉默默(MARY LAHAMMER):我认为这实际上取决于您来自哪里。

I think Democrats think it's fair, and I thinkRepublicans don't.(148)
我认为民主党人认为这很公平,而共和党人则不这样。

I have noticed, looking at just my e-mailinbox from our members of Congress, because(149)
我注意到,仅查看我们国会议员的电子邮件收件箱,因为

we have a really interesting delegation -- wehave a majority -- five out of eight of our(150)
我们有一个非常有趣的代表团-我们占大多数-我们八分之五

new members of Congress are new, and fourof them flipped seats.(151)
国会的新成员是新成员,其中有四个翻转了席位。

So we had two Republicans who flipped Democraticdistricts, two Democrats who flipped Republican(152)
所以我们有两个共和党人翻转了民主区,两个民主党人翻转了共和党

districts.(153)
地区。

And they're all relatively quiet.(154)
他们都相对安静。

I don't even think our members of Congressreally want to be talking about this much.(155)
我什至认为我们的国会议员真的不想谈论太多。

We even have an ad going now.(156)
我们甚至现在有一个广告。

We have our Seventh District congressman,Collin Peterson.(157)
我们有第七区议员Collin Peterson。

He is a Democrat who won in the biggest Trumpdistrict.(158)
他是在最大的特朗普区获胜的民主党人。

So he has a really tough challenger in a battlewith former Lieutenant Governor Michelle Fischbach(159)
因此,在与前州长米歇尔·菲施巴赫(Michelle Fischbach)的战斗中,他是一个非常艰难的挑战者

running against him.(160)
跑对他。

And there are ads right now trying to drumon Collin Peterson about this.(161)
而且现在有广告试图以此宣传科林·彼得森。

And he is one of only two Democrats who votedagainst the initial impeachment proceedings.(162)
他是投票反对最初的弹each程序的仅有的两个民主党人之一。

So we are incredibly divided.(163)
因此,我们之间的分歧令人难以置信。

And those five new members of Congress areunder a lot of pressure on this issue.(164)
这五个新任国会议员在这个问题上承受很大压力。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So, when you add it all up,Caitie Switalski, people feeling that we're(165)
JUDY WOODRUFF:因此,当您将所有内容加在一起时,Caitie Switalski,人们会觉得我们

going to get to the bottom of this in someway, or just -- they just are writing this(166)
将会以某种方式或者只是-他们只是在写这个

off?(167)
掉?

CAITIE SWITALSKI: Well, I had a couple ofvoters tell me, look, impeachment is going(168)
CAITIE SWITALSKI:恩,我有几个选民告诉我,看,弹imp正在

to happen one way or the other, potentially.(169)
可能以一种或另一种方式发生。

We don't know if that equals removal, butit doesn't matter, because what's next is(170)
我们不知道这是否等同于删除,但这无关紧要,因为下一步是

the election.(171)
选举。

So I think Democrats are really, really tryingto look forward, figure out how to get out(172)
因此,我认为民主党人确实非常在努力向前看,想出办法

the vote, mobilize, organize ahead of theelection, despite whatever happens with impeachment,(173)
选举,动员,组织选举,尽管弹imp发生了什么,

keep moving towards the election.(174)
继续走向选举。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So interesting to get theseviews from around the country.(175)
JUDY WOODRUFF:非常有趣,可以从全国各地获得这些意见。

Caitie Switalski, Broward County, Florida,WLRN Radio, Bente Birkeland with Colorado(176)
Caitie Switalski,佛罗里达州布劳沃德县,WLRN电台,本特伯克兰与科罗拉多州

Public Radio, and Mary Lahammer, Twin CitiesPBS, thank you very much.(177)
公共广播电台和Twin Cities PBS的Mary Lahammer都非常感谢。

CAITIE SWITALSKI: Thank you, Judy.(178)
CAITIE SWITALSKI:谢谢Judy。

BENTE BIRKELAND: Thanks, Judy.(179)
BENTE BIRKELAND:谢谢朱迪。

MARY LAHAMMER: Thanks.(180)
玛丽·拉默默(MARY LAHAMMER):谢谢。


All News Articles fetched from PBS RSS Feeds and copyrighted by pbs.org