Where do House Democrats stand on impeachment?
2019-06-11 00:00:00


JUDY WOODRUFF: Democrats on Capitol Hill arestill grappling with questions of whether(1)
JUDY WOODRUFF:国会山的民主党人仍在努力解决是否存在问题

to pursue impeachment against President Trump.(2)
对特朗普总统进行弹劾。

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was askedtoday why she supports congressional investigations(3)
众议院议长南希佩洛西今天被问到为什么她支持国会调查

into the president, but not a formal impeachmentinquiry.(4)
进入总统,但不是正式的弹劾调查。

REP.(5)
REP。

NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): So the question you ask,do we get more by having an inquiry?(6)
NANCY PELOSI(D-CA):你问的问题是,我们通过询问得到更多吗?

Some say yes, some say no.(7)
有人说是,有些人说不。

Some say...(8)
有人说...

(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: If a majority of your caucus -- ifa majority of your caucus wants to go forward(9)
问题:如果你的核心会议的大多数 - 如果你的核心会议的大多数想要继续前进

with an impeachment inquiry, would you gofor it?(10)
弹劾调查,你会去吗?

REP.(11)
REP。

NANCY PELOSI: It's not even close in our caucus.(12)
NANCY PELOSI:我们的核心小组甚至都没有。

QUESTION: But, eventually, if it gets...(13)
问题:但是,最终,如果它得到......

REP.(14)
REP。

NANCY PELOSI: Well, you know what?(15)
NANCY PELOSI:嗯,你知道吗?

Why are we speculating on hypotheticals?(16)
我们为什么要推测假设?

What we're doing is winning in court.(17)
我们正在做的是在法庭上获胜。

The path that we're on is a path that, I think-- look, I want to tell you something.(18)
我们所走的路是一条路,我想 - 看,我想告诉你一些事情。

QUESTION: You said you're not on a path to...(19)
问题:你说你没有走上......

REP.(20)
REP。

NANCY PELOSI: There is nothing as much -- thereis nothing as divisive in our country, in(21)
NANCY PELOSI:没有什么 - 在我们的国家,没有任何分裂

my view, than impeachment.(22)
我的观点,而不是弹劾。

JUDY WOODRUFF: And our congressional correspondent,Lisa Desjardins, is here with me now.(23)
JUDY WOODRUFF:我们的国会记者Lisa Desjardins现在和我在一起。

So, Lisa, we have just heard what SpeakerPelosi is saying.(24)
所以,丽莎,我们刚刚听到了佩洛西议长所说的话。

So tell us, what exactly are the House Democratsdoing or not doing today?(25)
那么告诉我们,众议院民主党人今天做了什么或者做了什么?

LISA DESJARDINS: Well, let's talk about theresolution that the House passed today.(26)
LISA DESJARDINS:好吧,我们来谈谈众议院今天通过的决议。

This is a resolution that Democrats referto as civil contempt, but what it really does(27)
这是一项民主党人称之为民事蔑视的决议,但它的真正含义

is, it gives Democrats House committee chairmenthe power to move forward with civil lawsuits.(28)
是的,它让民主党众议院委员会主席有权推进民事诉讼。

They want to do that in order to try to compeltestimony from a court from the witnesses(29)
他们想这样做是为了试图强迫证人从法庭作证

who have so far refused to talk to them.(30)
到目前为止,他们拒绝与他们交谈。

On that list, at the top of that list is formerWhite House counsel Don McGahn, but also on(31)
在该名单上,该名单的顶部是前白宫法律顾问Don McGahn,但同时也是

the list is the current attorney general himself,Bill Barr.(32)
这份名单是现任总检察长比尔巴尔。

And, basically, Judy, Democrats like thisbecause it will give this power to committee(33)
而且,基本上,朱迪,民主党人就是这样,因为它会赋予委员会这种权力

chairmen.(34)
主席。

Republicans say that's exactly the problem,that it's too much power in committee chairmen's(35)
共和党人说这正是问题,委员会主席的权力太大了

hands.(36)
手中。

It's not clear when these committee chairmenwill file the lawsuits, but I'm sold they're(37)
目前尚不清楚这些委员会主席何时会提起诉讼,但我卖掉了他们

interested in doing it quickly.(38)
有兴趣快速做到这一点。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So, what's the plan the Democratshave?(39)
JUDY WOODRUFF:那么,民主党的计划是什么?

LISA DESJARDINS: Right.(40)
LISA DESJARDINS:对。

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what is this -- what arethese documents that they now are going to(41)
JUDY WOODRUFF:这是什么 - 他们现在要做的这些文件是什么

have permission to see that have to do withthe Mueller investigation?(42)
有权看到与穆勒调查有关吗?

LISA DESJARDINS: I was able to do some goodreporting on these documents.(43)
LISA DESJARDINS:我能够对这些文件做一些好的报道。

These documents are available starting todayonly to members of the House Judiciary Committee(44)
这些文件从今天开始仅向众议院司法委员会成员提供

and only in a secure setting.(45)
并且只在安全的环境中。

They cannot take them out of the Departmentof Justice.(46)
他们不能把他们带出司法部。

Now, also, we don't know how many documentsthere will be.(47)
现在,我们也不知道会有多少文件。

They will be given to these members in sorttranches.(48)
它们将以分批的形式提供给这些成员。

They won't get all of them now, because theDepartment of Justice has to go through and(49)
他们现在不会得到所有这些,因为司法部必须通过和

make sure executive privilege is honored,all of those kinds of things.(50)
确保行政特权得到尊重,所有这些事情都得到尊重。

But they can start looking at them now.(51)
但他们现在可以开始关注它们了。

They're not sure what's in there.(52)
他们不确定那里有什么。

They think perhaps interview transcripts,other evidence that led to the Mueller report.(53)
他们认为可能是采访记录,其他证据导致穆勒报告。

We will find out more maybe in days ahead.(54)
我们会在未来几天发现更多。

As to the Democrats' plan, Judy, it now includeslooking at these documents, holding more hearings,(55)
至于民主党的计划,朱迪,它现在包括查看这些文件,举行更多的听证会,

probably issuing more subpoenas, and probably,because of that, going to court more often.(56)
可能会发出更多的传票,并且可能因此而更频繁地上法庭。

So it is a long-term plan, and there is noplan for formal impeachment inquiries right(57)
所以这是一个长期计划,没有正式的弹劾调查计划

now.(58)
现在。

JUDY WOODRUFF: So let's talk about the politics.(59)
JUDY WOODRUFF:我们来谈谈政治。

What are the Democrats thinking in terms ofimpeachment, both from inside the caucus,(60)
从核心小组内部来看,民主党人在弹劾方面的想法是什么?

what the members are thinking, but also whatthey're hearing from their constituents?(61)
成员们在想什么,还有他们从选民那里听到的内容?

LISA DESJARDINS: That's the thing.(62)
LISA DESJARDINS:那就是事情。

There is so much pressure on many of these members, especially in the more liberal, more(63)
对这些成员中的许多人施加了很大的压力,特别是在更自由的人中

Democratic districts.(64)
民主党区。

They say they are getting hundreds of phonecalls from their voters saying, we would like(65)
他们说,他们正在接到来自选民的数百个电话,我们希望这样

this president impeached.(66)
这位总统被弹劾了。

What are you waiting for?(67)
你在等什么?

It's very different in moderate districts.(68)
在温和的地区,这是非常不同的。

Swing districts, where Democrats may be vulnerable,they're hearing impeachment as well, but they're(69)
摇摆地区,民主党可能是脆弱的,他们也听到弹劾,但他们是

hearing that that perhaps that could be anegative, that Democrats are moving too fast,(70)
听说那可能是负面的,民主党人的行动太快了,

look like they're vindictive.(71)
看起来他们是报复性的。

But this pressure also is coming from committeechairmen, who are frustrated because they(72)
但这种压力也来自委员会主席,他们因为他们而感到沮丧

haven't been able to get the answers thatthey want.(73)
无法得到他们想要的答案。

In all, Judy, they're in a difficult placeright now.(74)
总而言之,朱迪,他们现在处于一个困难的地方。

They're waiting this out.(75)
他们正等着这个。

I did see some discipline today, though.(76)
不过我今天确实看到了一些纪律。

Those who want impeachment inquiries seemto be cooling down a little bit, going with(77)
那些想要弹劾调查的人似乎正在逐渐冷静下来

Pelosi's plan, which is just to investigateright now.(78)
佩洛西的计划,现在只是为了调查。

But I saw -- I heard this strange quote fromone freshman representative, Dean Phillips.(79)
但是我看到 - 我听到一位新生代表Dean Phillips的这句奇怪的话。

He told me, formality.(80)
他告诉我,手续。

Formal impeachment proceedings, that's allrelative.(81)
正式的弹劾程序,这都是相对的。

I don't know what that means.(82)
我不知道这意味着什么。

It just shows they're having trouble reallyexplaining this to some people.(83)
它只是表明他们在向某些人解释这个问题时遇到了麻烦。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, and, as the speaker said,the country is divided on this.(84)
JUDY WOODRUFF:嗯,正如发言人所说,这个国家对此存在分歧。

LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.(85)
LISA DESJARDINS:没错。

JUDY WOODRUFF: Lisa Desjardins, thank you.(86)
JUDY WOODRUFF:Lisa Desjardins,谢谢。


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