How both sides are preparing for a packed week of impeachment hearings
2019-11-18 00:00:00


AMNA NAWAZ: The stage is set on Capitol Hillfor the second week of public hearings in(1)
AMNA NAWAZ:舞台在美国国会山举行第二周的公开听证会

the impeachment inquiry into President Trump.(2)
对特朗普总统的弹each调查。

And as White House correspondent Yamiche Alcindorreports, there's word today he may testify(3)
正如白宫通讯员亚米奇·阿尔辛多(Yamiche Alcindor)报道的那样,今天有消息称他可能作证

on his own behalf.(4)
代表他自己。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: On CBS' "Face the Nation"Sunday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi invited(5)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):在哥伦比亚广播公司(CBS)的“面对国家”周日,众议院议长南希·佩洛西(Nancy Pelosi)邀请

President Trump to appear.(6)
特朗普总统出现。

REP.(7)
代表

NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): If he has informationthat is exculpatory, that means ex, taking(8)
NANCY PELOSI(D-CA):如果他掌握的信息具有排他性,那就意味着

away, culpable, blame, then we look forwardto seeing it.(9)
走开,有罪,有罪,那么我们期待看到它。

The president could come right before thecommittee and talk, speak all the truth that(10)
总统可以就在委员会面前讲话,说出所有事实

he wants, if he wants to...(11)
他想要,如果他想要...

MARGARET BRENNAN, Host, "Face the Nation":You don't expect him to do that?(12)
主持人,玛格丽特·布伦南(MARGARET BRENNAN),《面对国家》:您不希望他这样做吗?

REP.(13)
代表

NANCY PELOSI: ... if he wants to take theoath of office.(14)
纳西·佩洛西:...如果他想宣誓就职。

Or he could do it in writing.(15)
或者他可以用书面形式做到。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Today, President Trump respondedon Twitter.(16)
雅米·奥尔辛多:今天,特朗普总统在推特上回应。

He wrote: "I like the idea and will, in orderto get Congress focused again, strongly consider(17)
他写道:“我喜欢这个主意,并将为使国会再次集中精力,强烈考虑

it."(18)
它。”

President Trump is accused of withholdingalmost $400 million in military aid from Ukraine(19)
特朗普总统被指控从乌克兰扣留近4亿美元的军事援助

in exchange for probes into his politicalopponents.(20)
以换取对他的政治对手的调查。

Over the weekend, Republicans continued todefend the president.(21)
上周末,共和党人继续为总统辩护。

Jim Jordan of Ohio, who sits on the HouseIntelligence Committee, said Democrats don't(22)
众议院情报委员会主席,俄亥俄州的吉姆·乔丹(Jim Jordan)说,民主党人不会

have a case because Ukraine never followedthrough with any of the investigations.(23)
有一个案例是因为乌克兰从未进行过任何调查。

He also appeared on "Face the Nation."(24)
他还出现在《面对国家》上。

REP.(25)
代表

JIM JORDAN (R-OH): The Ukrainians did nothingto, as -- as far as investigations goes, to(26)
吉姆·乔丹(R-OH):就调查而言,乌克兰人对

get the aid release.(27)
获得援助释放。

So there was never this quid pro quo thatthe Democrats all promised existed before(28)
因此,从来没有像民主党人所承诺的那样过时的存在

President Trump released the phone call.(29)
特朗普总统释放了电话。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In an interview today with"NewsHour"'s Judy Woodruff at a cancer fund-raiser(30)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:今天在“ NewsHour”的Judy Woodruff的一次癌症筹款活动中接受采访

in San Antonio, former Secretary of StateRex Tillerson criticized the president's actions.(31)
在圣安东尼奥,前国务卿雷克斯·蒂勒森(Rex Tillerson)批评了总统的行为。

JUDY WOODRUFF: What is appropriate and whatis proper in the role of a diplomat?(32)
JUDY WOODRUFF:外交官的角色合适和合适吗?

REX TILLERSON, Former U.S. Secretary of State:Well...(33)
美国前国务卿雷克斯·蒂勒森(REX TILLERSON):好吧...

JUDY WOODRUFF: And in American foreign policy?(34)
JUDY WOODRUFF:在美国外交政策中?

REX TILLERSON: Yes,.(35)
REX TILLERSON:是的。

I mean, clearly -- clearly, asking for personalfavors and using United States assets as collateral(36)
我的意思是,明确地-明确地,要求个人青睐,并使用美国资产作为抵押

is wrong.(37)
是错的。

There's just no two ways about it.(38)
仅有两种方法。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Meanwhile, House Democratson Saturday released two more transcripts(39)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):与此同时,众议院民主党议员周六又发布了两个成绩单

from closed-door testimony.(40)
来自闭门作证。

They came from Tim Morrison, a departing NationalSecurity Council official, and Jennifer Williams,(41)
他们来自即将离任的国家安全委员会官员蒂姆·莫里森(Tim Morrison)和珍妮弗·威廉姆斯(Jennifer Williams),

a career State Department official who isan aide to Vice President Pence.(42)
美国国务院职业生涯的官员,是彭斯副总统的助手。

Both were on the July 25 call between PresidentTrump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.(43)
两者都在7月25日特朗普总统和乌克兰总统沃洛德米尔·泽伦斯基之间的通话中。

On it, President Trump pressed Zelensky toinvestigate Democrats.(44)
特朗普总统就此敦促泽伦斯基去调查民主党人。

Morrison testified that he had -- quote -- "concernsabout a potential leak of the call for political(45)
莫里森作证说,他“引述”“担心政治呼吁可能泄漏”。

reasons."(46)
原因。”

He also was concerned about how its releasemight affect the Ukrainian perceptions of(47)
他还担心它的释放可能会影响乌克兰对

the U.S.-Ukraine relationship.(48)
美国与乌克兰的关系。

But he said -- quote -- "I wasn't concernedthat anything illegal was discussed."(49)
但是他说-引用-“我不担心讨论任何非法的东西。”

Williams testified the call seemed -- quote-- "unusual and inappropriate."(50)
威廉姆斯(Williams)作证说,电话似乎-引用-“不正常且不合适”。

She said it shed some light on possible othermotivations behind a security assistance hold.(51)
她说,这揭示了安全援助搁置背后的其他动机。

In a tweet on Saturday, President Trump wentafter Williams.(52)
在周六的一条推文中,特朗普总统追赶了威廉姆斯。

He called her a never-Trumper and accusedher and other witnesses of attacking him.(53)
他称她为“永远不会敲手”,并指责她和其他目击者攻击他。

Williams and Morrison plan to testify publicly,along with Army Lieutenant Colonel Alexander(54)
威廉姆斯和莫里森计划与陆军中校亚历山大一起公开作证

Vindman, National Security Council directorfor European affairs, as well as Kurt Volker,(55)
国家安全委员会欧洲事务主任Vindman以及K​​urt Volker

former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine.(56)
前美国驻乌克兰特使。

They all will appear before the House IntelligenceCommittee tomorrow.(57)
他们都将于明天出席众议院情报委员会。

AMNA NAWAZ: Yamiche is here with me now tobreak all of this down.(58)
AMNA NAWAZ:Yamiche现在和我一起在这里分解所有这些内容。

Good too see you, Yamiche.(59)
见到你也很好,Yamiche。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Great to be here.(60)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:很高兴来到这里。

(LAUGHTER)
AMNA NAWAZ: Let's start with the week.(61)
AMNA NAWAZ:让我们从一周开始。

It's a big one, right?(62)
这是一个很大的吧?

We have three days of public hearings, a numberof officials coming before Congress to testify.(63)
我们进行了为期三天的公开听证会,一些官员正在国会作证。

Walk us through who we're going to hear fromand why they matter.(64)
引导我们了解我们将向谁倾诉以及他们为什么重要。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, we have a full schedulethis week, a packed schedule, really.(65)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:好的,这周我们有一个完整的时间表,真的是一个紧凑的时间表。

And Democrats want to do this to make surethat they're basically laying out their case.(66)
民主党人希望这样做,以确保他们基本上是在布置自己的案子。

So, if you look at this calendar, there'sjust a number of officials, both current and(67)
因此,如果您查看此日历,则只有一些官员,包括现任和

former officials who are serving in the Trumpadministration or who has served in the Trump(68)
在特朗普政府任职或曾在特朗普任职的前任官员

administration.(69)
管理。

There are three key people that I'm goingto point to.(70)
我要指出的三个关键人物。

The first is Lieutenant Colonel AlexanderVindman.(71)
第一个是亚历山大·温德曼中校。

Now, he's someone who is still working atthe National Security Council.(72)
现在,他是仍在国家安全委员会工作的人。

He's their Ukraine expert.(73)
他是他们的乌克兰专家。

And he's someone that has a Purple Heart.(74)
而且他是一个拥有紫心勋章的人。

He's someone that Democrats point to and say,this is someone with a very good character.(75)
他是民主党人指出的那个人,这是一个很有品格的人。

He's someone who's patriotic, who served thecountry.(76)
他是爱国者,为国家服务。

They're going to be pointing out that he issomeone who had concerns in real time with(77)
他们会指出他是一个实时关注的人

the July 25 phone call between President Trumpand the president of Ukraine.(78)
7月25日特朗普总统与乌克兰总统之间的电话。

Vindman listened into that call and then wenthis superiors and said, I have concerns about(79)
Vindman听了那个电话,然后去了他的上司,说,我担心

the way that the president is asking for investigationsinto Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.(80)
总统要求对乔·拜登及其儿子亨特·拜登进行调查的方式。

Republicans, though, say that Vindman hasbeen inconsistent with his testimony.(81)
不过,共和党人说,温德曼一直与他的证词不一致。

They also say that he's someone who can'treally speak to whether or not the president(82)
他们还说他是一个无法真正与总统说话的人

did something that's impeachable, so he shouldn'tessentially be coming before Congress in this(83)
做了一些难以理解的事情,所以他本质上不应该在这方面来国会

way.(84)
方式。

So that's one person that they're going tobe pointing to and kind of -- you're going(85)
所以这是他们要指向的一个人,并且-

to hear the contrasting, contrasting messagesbetween both parties.(86)
听到双方之间对比鲜明的信息。

Second person is Kurt Volker.(87)
第二人称是库尔特·沃尔克。

He is a longtime Foreign Service officer.(88)
他是长期的外交事务官员。

He is someone who is a special envoy to Ukrainefrom the U.S.(89)
他是从美国到乌克兰的特使。

He's no longer in that role.(90)
他不再担任那个角色。

But he's someone that Democrats are goingto point to and say, when that call came out,(91)
但是他是民主党人要指出的那个人,他说,当这个呼吁出来时,

and everyone learned what happened on July25, he says he was surprised and troubled.(92)
每个人都知道7月25日发生的事情,他说他感到惊讶和困扰。

But Republicans, again, are going to be makingthe case that Kurt Volker said he was never,(93)
但是,共和党人将再次证明科特·沃尔克说他从来没有,

himself, requested to do anything wrong.(94)
本人,要求做任何错事。

He's also going to say, they think, that heis someone who is going to say that Ukraine(95)
他们还说,他还会说他是一个会说乌克兰的人

didn't know in real time that this money wasbeing held up.(96)
并不实时知道这笔钱被扣了。

Essentially, they couldn't be bribed, becausethey didn't know that there was a bribe happening.(97)
本质上,他们不能受贿,因为他们不知道有贿赂发生。

And the third person is Gordon Sondland.(98)
第三个人是戈登·桑德兰。

He's the person that's going to be -- everyone'sgoing to be watching.(99)
他就是将要成为的人-每个人都会在看着。

AMNA NAWAZ: Yes.(100)
AMNA NAWAZ:是的。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: I'm going to be watching,because he is someone who is -- he's the European(101)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:我要看,因为他是一个-他是欧洲人

Union ambassador.(102)
联盟大使。

He is a close ally of President Trump.(103)
他是特朗普总统的亲密盟友。

And he's going to be making the case, essentially,that he was in direct contact with President(104)
从本质上讲,他将证明他与总统直接接触

Trump.(105)
王牌。

Democrats say that he knew that PresidentTrump wanted these investigations before and(106)
民主党人说,他知道特朗普总统在此之前希望进行这些调查,

after the call, and that he was pressing -- pressuringfor that.(107)
电话打完后,他在按-为此施压。

Republicans are going to be making the case,essentially, that Sondland is someone who(108)
从本质上讲,共和党人将证明桑德兰是

maybe had been -- was acting on his own, butthat the president didn't directly say, I(109)
也许过去是-自己行事,但总统没有直接说,我

need you to do this for me.(110)
需要你为我做这件事。

So there's going to be a lot to watch there.(111)
因此,那里会有很多值得关注的地方。

AMNA NAWAZ: A lot to watch, indeed.(112)
AMNA NAWAZ:确实有很多值得关注的地方。

And some of those folks are going to raiseconcerns about the president's behavior and(113)
而且其中一些人将对总统的行为和

what they allegedly saw.(114)
他们据称所见。

President Trump's already been tweeting aboutsome of them before we even hear from them(115)
特朗普总统在我们甚至还没有收到他们的消息之前就已经在发布其中的一些消息

publicly.(116)
公开地

What are you hearing from Republicans, fromhis own party about the president's actions.(117)
您从共和党,他自己的政党那里听到有关总统的举动的信息。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The shock of Friday andthe president going after Ambassador Yovanovitch,(118)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):星期五的震惊和总统追随约瓦诺维奇大使的经历,

the former ambassador to Ukraine, in realtime during the impeachment inquiry has not(119)
前驻乌克兰大使,在弹each调查期间没有实时

worn off.(120)
磨损了。

I have talked to a number of Republicans whoessentially are saying, are you talking to(121)
我已经与许多共和党人进行了交谈,他们实际上是在说,

White House sources?(122)
白宫消息来源?

Are they going to be able to control the presidentthis week?(123)
他们本周能够控制总统吗?

And the answer, of course, is no.(124)
当然,答案是否定的。

No one at the White House can stop the PresidentTrump tweeting.(125)
白宫没有人可以阻止特朗普总统发推文。

So Republicans are hoping that the presidentwon't undermine their messaging and won't(126)
所以共和党人希望总统不会破坏他们的信息,也不会

be attacking a lot of the witnesses' characters.(127)
攻击很多证人的角色。

But the president's already been doing that.(128)
但是总统已经在这样做了。

He's already been tweeting, saying, theseare never-Trumpers, these are people that(129)
他已经发过推文,说,这些从来都不是特朗普,这些人

were bad ambassadors.(130)
是坏的大使。

So we're going to have to watch very closelyPresident Trump's Twitter account, because(131)
因此,我们将不得不密切关注特朗普总统的Twitter帐户,因为

it's likely going to be very active in realtime.(132)
它可能会实时活跃。

AMNA NAWAZ: And, meantime, related to hisTwitter account, you just reported there in(133)
AMNA NAWAZ:同时,与他的Twitter帐户有关,您刚刚在

your piece, Speaker Pelosi had said he's welcome,the president welcome to come before this(134)
您的发言,佩洛西议长表示欢迎,总统欢迎您来临

hearing and testify and give us his account.(135)
聆听并作证,并向我们说明。

He has tweeted he might be open to that.(136)
他发了推文,也许对此持开放态度。

What do we know about that happening?(137)
我们对发生的事情了解多少?

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, the president says,hey, you have questions for me, I want to(138)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:好的,总统说,嘿,您有问题要问我,我想

give you some answers in writing.(139)
给你一些书面答案。

The issue is that the House is already lookinginto whether or not the president lied to(140)
问题是众议院已经在调查总统是否说谎

special counsel Robert Mueller during theRussia investigation.(141)
特别顾问罗伯特·穆勒(Robert Mueller)在俄罗斯调查期间。

Essentially, he provided written answers there.(142)
本质上,他在那里提供了书面答案。

And special counsel Robert Miller said thoseanswers were inadequate, and that he really(143)
特别顾问罗伯特·米勒(Robert Miller)说,这些回答是不够的,而且他确实

was not happy with the fact that he couldn'thave follow-up questions to the president.(144)
他不能向总统提出后续问题,对此感到不满。

The other thing to note is that Democratssay, this is really the president playing(145)
还要注意的另一件事是民主党人说,这确实是总统在扮演

games here.(146)
这里的游戏。

The president, if he really wanted to comebefore Congress, could come and sit before(147)
总统,如果他真的想参加国会,可以来参加会议。

the lawmakers and answer questions.(148)
立法者并回答问题。

They also say that he could provide people,like acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney,(149)
他们还说他可以提供人手,例如代理参谋长米克·穆尔瓦尼(Mick Mulvaney),

who has refused to come before Congress, tocome and actually speak to Congress.(150)
他拒绝参加国会,而实际上却要向国会讲话。

They also say he could tell his national -- hisformer National Security Adviser John Bolton(151)
他们还说他可以告诉他的国民-他的前国家安全顾问约翰·博尔顿

to come before Congress.(152)
来国会。

They could provide, they say, documents atthe White House to help this impeachment inquiry.(153)
他们说,他们可以在白宫提供文件,以帮助进行弹imp调查。

They're not really doing any of that.(154)
他们并没有真正做到这一点。

So Democrats are essentially saying, we understandthat the president wants to provide us written(155)
所以民主党从本质上说,我们了解总统希望向我们提供书面

answers, but that's just not quite good enough.(156)
答案,但这还不够好。

AMNA NAWAZ: It's a good reminder too a numberof White House officials there we haven't(157)
AMNA NAWAZ:这也很好地提醒了我们一些白宫官员,我们还没有

yet heard from.(158)
尚未听到。

A busy week ahead.(159)
忙碌的一周。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Thank you.(160)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:谢谢。

AMNA NAWAZ: You're going to be following itall.(161)
AMNA NAWAZ:您将要全部关注。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Yes.(162)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:是的。

(LAUGHTER)
AMNA NAWAZ: Our White House correspondent,Yamiche Alcindor, thanks, Yamiche.(163)
AMNA NAWAZ:我们白宫的记者Yamiche Alcindor非常感谢Yamiche。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Thanks.(164)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:谢谢。

AMNA NAWAZ: And you can join us for speciallive coverage of the public impeachment hearings.(165)
AMNA NAWAZ:您也可以加入我们,进行公共弹each听证会的特别现场报道。

We start tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m.(166)
我们明天早上9:00开始

Eastern.(167)
东。


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