What's at stake for GM and other automakers with UAW strike
2019-09-16 00:00:00


JUDY WOODRUFF: Nearly 50,000 workers at GeneralMotors plants across the country went on strike(1)
JUDY WOODRUFF:全国通用汽车工厂的近50,000名工人罢工

at midnight, bringing production to an immediatehalt.(2)
在午夜,生产立即停止。

John Yang has the details.(3)
约翰杨有详细信息。

JOHN YANG: It's the first national work stoppageby the United Auto Workers since 2007.(4)
杨致远:这是自2007年以来美国联合汽车工人公司首次全国停工。

As negotiations resumed today, the union saidit had been unable to reach a deal with GM(5)
随着谈判今天恢复,工会表示无法与通用汽车达成协议

over several key issues, including higherwages and limits on the use of temporary workers.(6)
在几个关键问题上,包括提高工资和限制使用临时工。

The UAW also wants to end some of the concessionsit made in 2009 to help GM through its government-led(7)
UAW还希望结束它在2009年做出的一些让步,通过政府主导来帮助通用汽车

bankruptcy, including lower pay and benefitsfor new workers.(8)
破产,包括降低工资和新工人的福利。

James Cotton was on the picket line todayin Detroit.(9)
詹姆斯棉花今天在底特律的纠察线上。

JAMES COTTON, General Motors Employee: A fewyears back, we gave up a lot to keep this(10)
通用汽车公司员工JAMES COTTON:几年前,我们为了保持这一点而放弃了很多

house open and all the houses around GeneralMotors.(11)
房子开放和通用汽车周围的所有房子。

And now that they're making more money thanthey ever have, we feel like we should get(12)
现在,他们赚的钱比以往任何时候都多,我们觉得应该得到

some of that stuff back, like cost of livingand things of that nature.(13)
其中一些东西回来了,比如生活费和那种性质的东西。

JOHN YANG: GM posted nearly $12 billion inprofits, but the automaker says it needs to(14)
杨致远:通用汽车公布了近120亿美元的利润,但该汽车制造商表示需要这样做

slash costs as it pivots to future technologieslike electric cars and as sales decline.(15)
随着电动汽车等未来技术的发展以及销量下滑,削减成本。

Last year, it said it was closing severalplants, including this one in Hamtramck, Michigan,(16)
去年,该公司表示将关闭几家工厂,包括密歇根州Hamtramck的工厂。

a decision that President Trump heavily criticized.(17)
特朗普总统严厉批评的决定。

Late last year, the "NewsHour"'s Yamiche Alcindorwent to Hamtramck and spoke to one autoworker(18)
去年年底,“NewsHour”的Yamiche Alcindor去了Hamtramck和一位汽车旅行者交谈

who said her job was her ticket to the middleclass.(19)
谁说她的工作是她上中产阶级的门票。

D'NITRA LANDON, General Motors Employee: Ihave never made this much money hourly before(20)
D'NITRA LANDON,通用汽车公司员工:我从未在每小时赚过这么多钱

in my life.(21)
在我生命中。

I have never had these great health benefitsbefore in my life.(22)
我以前从未有过这些健康益处。

JOHN YANG: In a statement, GM said it hadoffered new investments in plants that improves(23)
杨致远:在一份声明中,通用汽车表示,它已经对可以改善的工厂进行了新的投资

wages, benefits and grows U.S. jobs in substantiveways.(24)
工资,福利和以实质性方式增加美国的就业机会。

The strike comes as top UAW leaders, includingcurrent president Gary Jones, are under federal(25)
此次罢工是在UAW领导人,包括现任总统加里·琼斯在内的联邦政府领导下的

investigations for allegedly misusing unionmoney.(26)
涉嫌滥用工会资金的调查。

The auto industry remains crucial to the U.S.economy, with some 220,000 people employed(27)
汽车行业对美国经济仍然至关重要,约有22万人受雇

making cars.(28)
制作汽车。

Many more make the parts that go into themand work in other sectors of the industry.(29)
还有更多的零件可以生产出来并在其他行业中发挥作用。

Nathan Bomey is a business reporter with USAToday.(30)
Nathan Bomey是今日美国的商业记者。

He previously covered GM for The Detroit FreePress.(31)
他之前为底特律自由报报道了通用汽车。

He's author of "Detroit Resurrected: To Bankruptcyand Back."(32)
他是“底特律复活:破产和回归”的作者。

Nathan, thanks so much for joining me.(33)
内森,非常感谢你加入我。

NATHAN BOMEY, USA Today: Thanks for havingme.(34)
NATHAN BOMEY,今日美国:谢谢你拥有我。

JOHN YANG: Let's begin.(35)
杨YANG:我们开始吧。

They do this every four years.(36)
他们每四年这样做一次。

And the UAW and the Big Three automakers negotiatenew contracts.(37)
UAW和三大汽车制造商就新合同进行谈判。

Going into this year's negotiations, broadlyspeaking, I want to ask you what the goals(38)
进入今年的谈判,从广义上讲,我想问你目标是什么

were on each side.(39)
在每一边。

Let's begin with the UAW.(40)
让我们从UAW开始吧。

What did they hope to achieve?(41)
他们希望实现什么目标?

NATHAN BOMEY: Well, I think the biggest thingthat they wanted was to basically end this(42)
NATHAN BOMEY:嗯,我认为他们想要的最重要的事情就是基本结束这个

two-tier wage system that started about 10years ago during the bankruptcies of General(43)
大约10年前在将军破产期间开始的两级工资制度

Motors and Chrysler, when the auto companieswere on their knees.(44)
当汽车公司岌岌可危时,汽车和克莱斯勒。

The autoworkers helped them get through itby basically giving concessions.(45)
汽车工人通过基本上让步来帮助他们度过难关。

And so what the UAW wants is to get some ofthat back.(46)
所以UAW想要的是获得一些回报。

On the other side, you have GM and, of course,the other auto companies that also -- they(47)
另一方面,你有通用汽车,当然还有其他汽车公司 - 他们

basically want to eliminate the gap betweenthem and the foreign automakers, because it's(48)
基本上想要消除它们与国外汽车制造商之间的差距,因为它是

still more expensive for the American automakersto produce vehicles in this country than it(49)
美国汽车制造商在这个国家生产汽车的成本仍然高于它

is for Toyota and some of the other foreignautomakers.(50)
适用于丰田和其他一些外国汽车制造商。

JOHN YANG: In their offer that GM releasedlast night, which is unusual to talk about(51)
杨致远:他们昨晚发布通用汽车的报价,这是不寻常的

what they -- what's on the table while thetalks are still going on, they said that they(52)
什么他们 - 在谈判仍在继续时桌面上有什么,他们说他们

made some -- offered some investments intotwo of the biggest plants that are being idled,(53)
做了一些 - 为两个最大的闲置工厂提供了一些投资,

Hamtramck and Lordstown.(54)
Hamtramck和Lordstown。

Hamtramck, they want to build electric pickuptrucks.(55)
Hamtramck,他们想建造电动皮卡车。

Lordstown, they want to build new batterycells there with union workers.(56)
Lordstown,他们想在那里与工会工人一起建造新的电池。

Are these going to be able to really get tothe numbers and have comparable jobs that(57)
这些是否能够真正达到数字并拥有可比较的工作

were there before?(58)
在那之前?

NATHAN BOMEY: Yes, I think it's unlikely.(59)
NATHAN BOMEY:是的,我认为这不太可能。

If you look at when they made the announcementthat they were idling these plants, the one(60)
如果你看到他们宣布他们正在闲置这些植物的时候,那个

in Ohio and the one in Michigan, I mean, theseare political footballs in some sense, because(61)
在俄亥俄州和密歇根州,我的意思是,从某种意义上讲,这些都是政治足球,因为

you're talking about thousands of workers,and you have got politicians on both sides(62)
你在谈论成千上万的工人,你们双方都有政治家

of the fence who have a significant interestin preserving those jobs.(63)
对保留这些工作有重大利益的围栏。

So I think GM understood that from the beginning.(64)
所以我认为通用汽车从一开始就明白这一点。

And now they're looking and saying, hey, maybewe can bring some jobs back here.(65)
而现在他们正在寻找并说,嘿,也许我们可以带回一些工作。

But the reality is, if they bring batteriesto Ohio, for example, Lordstown, that's simply(66)
但实际情况是,如果他们将电池带到俄亥俄州,例如Lordstown,那就简单了

not going to be as many jobs as you wouldsee with a typical assembly plant.(67)
不像你在典型的装配厂看到的那样多的工作。

JOHN YANG: How long is it going to take beforethis starts to squeeze each side?(68)
杨约翰:在开始挤压每一方之前需要多长时间?

GM is said to have healthy inventories onhand.(69)
据说通用汽车手头有健康的库存。

The UAW has a strike fund that they startedbeefing up earlier this year.(70)
UAW有一个打击基金,他们在今年早些时候开始加强。

But when is this going to start to squeeze?(71)
但什么时候开始挤压呢?

NATHAN BOMEY: If you look at GM's inventorylevels, they have a few months' worth of vehicles(72)
NATHAN BOMEY:如果你看看通用汽车的库存水平,他们就有几个月的车辆价值

at this point.(73)
这一点。

But that doesn't mean they have a few monthsto spare.(74)
但这并不意味着他们有几个月的时间。

After a couple weeks, they'd run into troublebecause then you would have certain vehicles(75)
几个星期后,他们遇到麻烦,因为那时你会有一些车辆

or certain trim levels would run into issues,and then you have people walking into the(76)
或某些修剪水平会遇到问题,然后你有人走进了

dealers and not being able to get those vehicles.(77)
经销商而且无法获得这些车辆。

On the other hand, UAW workers only get $250,$275 a week in strike pay.(78)
另一方面,UAW工人每周只能获得250美元,275美元的罢工工资。

So that's far below what your average workeris making on a given week.(79)
所以这远低于普通工人在某一周所做的工作。

So they really can't last too long -- toolong as well.(80)
所以他们真的不能持续太久 - 太久了。

I think you're looking at a few days, maybeweeks, before this reaches a head.(81)
我想你会看到几天,也许几周,然后才能达到目标。

But you never know.(82)
但你永远不知道。

There have been strikes in the past that havegone a couple months.(83)
过去发生的罢工已经持续了几个月。

JOHN YANG: And also not only GM itself, butthe supply chain, their suppliers, the parts(84)
JOHN YANG:不仅是通用汽车本身,还有供应链,供应商和零部件

makers start getting squeezed.(85)
制造商开始受到挤压。

NATHAN BOMEY: There is a ripple effect here.(86)
NATHAN BOMEY:这里有涟漪效应。

When the automaker can't make their cars,then the suppliers can't make their parts,(87)
当汽车制造商无法生产汽车时,供应商无法制造零件,

and the other automakers can be affected.(88)
而其他汽车制造商可能会受到影响。

JOHN YANG: In the report, I talked about thefederal investigation going into the spending(89)
杨YANG:在报告中,我谈到了联邦调查的开支

habits of -- or practices of current and formerUAW officials.(90)
现任和前任UAW官员的习惯或做法。

Is that a factor in these talks?(91)
这是这些谈判的一个因素吗?

NATHAN BOMEY: Well, this is a significantfederal corruption investigation.(92)
NATHAN BOMEY:嗯,这是一项重大的联邦腐败调查。

And I think the UAW at this point has to feara federal racketeering case that could come(93)
我认为此时的UAW必须担心可能会发生的联邦诈骗案

on top and basically have the federal governmenttaking control of the UAW.(94)
最重要的是,联邦政府基本上控制了UAW。

That's what happened to the Teamsters, andoversight lasted for a couple decades.(95)
这就是Teamsters发生的事情,并且监督持续了几十年。

So you have to wonder, is the UAW trying toget this contract done before that kind of(96)
所以你不得不怀疑,UAW是否试图在那之前完成这份合同

thing happens?(97)
事情发生了?

JOHN YANG: And, also, on the other side, whatis GM's approach to this?(98)
杨扬:而且,另一方面,通用汽车的方法是什么?

Where they're seeing this union under investigation,does that affect their position?(99)
如果他们看到这个工会正在接受调查,这会影响他们的地位吗?

NATHAN BOMEY: GM is walking a tightrope here.(100)
NATHAN BOMEY:通用汽车正走在这里走钢丝。

I think you see they're being very carefulnot to be too vocal in their criticism of(101)
我认为你看到他们非常小心,不要过于批评他们的批评

the UAW.(102)
UAW。

At the same time, they have said a few times,hey, this is a little questionable, but, hey,(103)
与此同时,他们曾多次说过,嘿,这有点可疑,但是,嘿,

UAW, it's represents tens of thousands ofworkers and maybe this isn't reflective of(104)
UAW,它代表了成千上万的工人,也许这并不能反映出来

the entire organization.(105)
整个组织。

But it is very uncomfortable for them to benegotiating at the same time they're under(106)
但是,他们在谈判的同时进行谈判是非常不舒服的

investigation by the federal government.(107)
由联邦政府调查。

JOHN YANG: Earlier today, the UAW said, GM,if you had given us this offer earlier, we(108)
杨先生:今天早些时候,UAW说,通用汽车,如果你早些时候给我们这个报价,我们

might have avoided this strike.(109)
本可以避免这次罢工。

Any sense of how long this might go on?(110)
任何这种可能持续多久的感觉?

NATHAN BOMEY: Well, you always have to askyourself if this is a case of an unreliable(111)
NATHAN BOMEY:嗯,你总是要问自己这是不是一个不可靠的案例

narrator on both sides.(112)
双方的叙述者。

I'm not sure when the official best offerwas really made on each side, who came to(113)
我不确定官方的最佳报价是什么时候真的在每一方都做出来的

the table first.(114)
该表首先。

It's tough to say.(115)
很难说。

But I think, at this point, it doesn't seemlike they're miles apart, but they're not(116)
但我认为,在这一点上,它们看起来并不相距甚远,但它们并非如此

inches apart either.(117)
也相隔几英寸。

I think you got a little time to go still.(118)
我觉得你有一点时间可以走了。

JOHN YANG: Nathan Bomey of USA Today, thanksso much.(119)
JOHN YANG:今日美国的Nathan Bomey,非常感谢。

NATHAN BOMEY: Thanks, John.(120)
NATHAN BOMEY:谢谢,John。


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