How Rudy Giuliani went from 'America's mayor' to Ukraine business broker
2019-11-11 00:00:00


JUDY WOODRUFF: And, as we just heard, transcriptsof closed-door testimonies from various State(1)
朱迪·伍德鲁夫(JUDY WOODRUFF):而且,正如我们刚刚听到的,来自各州的闭门证词笔录

Department officials put Rudy Giuliani atthe center of the impeachment inquiry.(2)
部门官员将鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)置于弹inquiry调查的中心。

He is the president's personal lawyer, butnow his own actions in Ukraine, ones that(3)
他是总统的私人律师,但现在他在乌克兰的行动是

are being called shadow foreign policy, haveput him and his associates under the microscope.(4)
被称为影子外交政策,把他和他的同僚置于显微镜下。

Yamiche is back now with this report on howa man once known as America's mayor arrived(5)
Yamiche现在又回来了,这份关于一个曾经被称为美国市长的人如何抵达的报告

at this moment.(6)
在这一刻。

RUDY GIULIANI, Attorney for President DonaldTrump: That we can save a few people.(7)
唐纳德·特朗普总统检察官鲁迪·朱利亚尼(RUDY GIULIANI):我们可以拯救一些人。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The attacks on September11, 2001, thrust Rudy Giuliani onto the national(8)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:2001年9月11日的袭击将Rudy Giuliani推上了国民

stage.(9)
阶段。

OPRAH WINFREY, Producer/Philanthropist: America'smayor.(10)
制片人/慈善家OPRAH WINFREY:美国市长。

He's the mayor of New York City.(11)
他是纽约市市长。

Ladies and gentleman, Rudy Giuliani.(12)
女士们,先生们,Rudy Giuliani。

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
RUDY GIULIANI: So, I thank you very much foryour leadership on the ground.(13)
RUDY GIULIANI:非常感谢您在当地的领导。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: For a city in crisis, Giuliani,the mayor of New York, was seen as a steady(14)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:对于处于危机中的城市,纽约市长朱利安尼(Giuliani)被视为稳定

leader.(15)
领导。

He helped rally those in grief and is oftenremembered for his fortitude during those(16)
他帮助那些悲痛的人集会,在那段日子里,他的坚韧常常被人们记住。

times.(17)
次。

Prior to 9/11, Giuliani was a polarizing figure.(18)
在9/11之前,朱利安尼(Giuliani)是个两极分化的人物。

RUDY GIULIANI: I speak my mind.(19)
RUDY GIULIANI:我说我的意思。

It was that way yesterday.(20)
昨天就是那样。

It's going to be that way today.(21)
今天就是那样。

It's going to be the same tomorrow.(22)
明天也一样。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: He presented himself asa tough-on-crime mayor who was going to clean(23)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):他表现得很强悍,要去清洗市长

up the city.(24)
在城市上空。

RUDY GIULIANI: It's going to stop and endwhen we change the people who are running(25)
RUDY GIULIANI:当我们更换正在跑步的人时,它将停止并结束

New York City.(26)
纽约市。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: But, under his tenure, NewYork ushered in controversial policing tactics.(27)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):但是,在他任职期间,纽约迎来了有争议的警务策略。

A federal judge later ruled some were racialdiscriminatory and were, hence, unconstitutional.(28)
一位联邦法官后来裁定其中一些具有种族歧视性,因此违反宪法。

Before he was mayor, Giuliani made a namefor himself as one of the country's most powerful(29)
朱利安尼(Giuliani)上任市长之前,已成为该国最强大的权力之一

prosecutors.(30)
检察官。

RUDY GIULIANI: You're dealing with a truecrime empire.(31)
RUDY GIULIANI:您正在处理一个真正的犯罪帝国。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Early in the Reagan administration,he was the associate attorney general, the(32)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):在里根政府任职初期,他是美国司法部副检察长。

third highest position in the Department ofJustice.(33)
在司法部中排名第三。

Then he became U.S. attorney for the federalprosecutor's office in Manhattan.(34)
然后,他成为曼哈顿联邦检察官办公室的美国律师。

There, he was known for going after corruptionand organized crime.(35)
在那里,他以追求腐败和有组织犯罪闻名。

RUDY GIULIANI: Twelve board members have aidedand abetted wire fraud.(36)
RUDY GIULIANI:十二名董事会成员协助并教wire了电汇欺诈行为。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Andrea Bernstein, co-hostof the "Trump, Inc." podcast from WNYC and(37)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):“特朗普公司”(Trump,Inc.)的联合主持人安德里亚·伯恩斯坦(Andrea Bernstein) WNYC和

ProPublica, has covered Giuliani for decades.(38)
ProPublica已经报道了朱利安尼数十年。

ANDREA BERNSTEIN, WNYC: He put the familiesthat ran the national mafia in prison.(39)
纽约州安德里亚·伯恩斯坦(Andrea Bernstein):他把经营国家黑手党的家庭关进了监狱。

He sent corrupt political figures to prison,including a business partner of Roy Cohn,(40)
他将腐败的政治人物送往监狱,其中包括罗伊·科恩(Roy Cohn)的商业伙伴,

who President Trump has often referred toas the lawyer no one else could match.(41)
特朗普总统经常称呼他为律师,没有其他人可以匹敌。

And he also went after Wall Street traders.(42)
他还追随华尔街交易员。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In New York, Giuliani wasa big name.(43)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:在纽约,朱利安尼(Giuliani)是个大人物。

So was Donald Trump.(44)
唐纳德·特朗普也是如此。

The two ran in similar circles.(45)
两者在相似的圈子中跑过。

ANDREA BERNSTEIN: They're of a certain era.(46)
安德烈·伯恩斯坦(Andrea Bernstein):他们属于某个时代。

And they both have really made their bonesby selling their brands, in Trump's case,(47)
而且他们俩都通过出售自己的品牌而真正地扎根,就特朗普而言,

glitz and success, in Rudy Giuliani's case,law and order.(48)
在鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)的案件中,浮华与成功是法律与秩序。

When Rudy ran for mayor, Trump became a majorfinancial backer.(49)
当鲁迪竞选市长时,特朗普成了主要的金融支持者。

And the Giuliani administration helped Trump'sbusiness projects.(50)
朱利安尼政府协助了特朗普的商业项目。

And they struck up a friendship, a chemistry,really, which has lasted all the way into(51)
他们建立了友谊,一种化学,真的,这种友谊一直持续到

the present.(52)
现在。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In the year 2000, the twoappeared together in a comedy sketch for a(53)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:在2000年,两个人一起出现在喜剧素描中,

press dinner.(54)
按晚餐。

RUDY GIULIANI: Oh, you dirty boy.(55)
RUDY GIULIANI:噢,你这个肮脏的男孩。

Oh.(56)
哦。

Oh.(57)
哦。

Donald, I thought you were a gentleman.(58)
唐纳德,我以为你是位绅士。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In 2007, not long afterleaving the mayor's office, Giuliani ran for(59)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:2007年,离开市长办公室不久,朱利安妮(Giuliani)竞选

the Republican nomination for president.(60)
共和党总统候选人提名。

For several months, he was the front-runner,but dropped out after the Florida primary(61)
几个月来,他一直领先,但在佛罗里达初选之后就退学了

without securing a single delegate.(62)
而不确保单个委托。

RUDY GIULIANI: Thank you all for your hardwork, your spirit, and your support.(63)
RUDY GIULIANI:谢谢大家的辛勤工作,精神和支持。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In 2016, Giuliani was anearly and vocal supporter of then candidate(64)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:在2016年,朱利安尼(Giuliani)是当时候选人的早期支持者

Trump.(65)
王牌。

RUDY GIULIANI: What I did for New York, DonaldTrump will do for America!(66)
RUDY GIULIANI:我为纽约做的事情,唐纳德·特朗普将为美国做!

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR: When Robert Mueller beganinvestigating the president as special counsel,(67)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多:当罗伯特·穆勒(Robert Mueller)开始调查总统的特别顾问时,

Mr. Trump turned to Giuliani to be one ofhis personal lawyers.(68)
特朗普先生求助朱利安尼成为他的私人律师之一。

Giuliani took their defense right to the courtof public opinion on TV.(69)
朱利安尼(Giuliani)在电视上将自己的辩护权带到了公众舆论法院。

RUDY GIULIANI: The president didn't colludewith the Russians, whatever contact, nobody.(70)
鲁迪·古利亚尼(RUDY GIULIANI):总统没有与俄罗斯人串通,无论接触什么,没人。

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: He said nobody had any contact.(71)
CNN的克里斯·库莫:他说没有人有任何联系。

Tons of people had contact.(72)
数以千计的人进行了接触。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Now Giuliani finds himselfat the center of the impeachment inquiry.(73)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:现在Giuliani处于弹inquiry调查的中心。

CHRIS CUOMO: So, you did ask Ukraine to lookinto Joe Biden?(74)
克里斯·库莫:那么,您确实要求乌克兰调查乔·拜登吗?

RUDY GIULIANI: Of course I did.(75)
RUDY GIULIAANI:当然可以。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In closed-door depositionson Capitol Hill, a parade of witnesses said(76)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):在国会山的闭门式证词中,一群目击者说

Giuliani played a critical role in shapingU.S. policy to Ukraine to benefit President(77)
朱利安尼在塑造美国对乌克兰政策以造福总统方面发挥了关键作用

Trump politically.(78)
政治上的特朗普。

The initial whistle-blower complaint thatsparked the impeachment inquiry states: "The(79)
最初引发举报调查的举报人投诉称:“

president's personal lawyer, Mr. Rudy Giuliani,is a central figure in this effort."(80)
总统的私人律师Rudy Giuliani先生是这项工作的核心人物。”

The top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, WilliamTaylor, told U.S. House investigators he was(81)
美国驻乌克兰最高外交官威廉·泰勒(William Taylor)告诉美国众议院调查员

concerned about Giuliani's actions.(82)
关注朱利安尼的行为。

He said Giuliani was leading a -- quote -- "irregular,informal channel of U.S. policy making with(83)
他说,朱利安尼(Daniel Giuliani)引述“美国制定政策的不正规,非正式渠道

respect to Ukraine."(84)
尊重乌克兰。”

For Giuliani, his work abroad has often beenmet with legal scrutiny.(85)
对于朱利安尼(Giuliani)而言,他在国外的工作经常受到法律审查。

In 2001, Giuliani launched a lucrative consultingfirm.(86)
朱利安尼(Giuliani)在2001年成立了一家利润丰厚的咨询公司。

His clients were all over the globe, Brazil,Qatar, Romania, Argentina.(87)
他的客户遍布全球,巴西,卡塔尔,罗马尼亚,阿根廷。

ANDREA BERNSTEIN: By the time he ran for presidentin 2007, his disclosure forms showed that(88)
安德烈·伯恩斯坦(Andrea Bernstein):在他2007年竞选总统时,他的披露表格显示,

he'd gone from having less than $5 millionin assets when he left City Hall to about(89)
他离开市政厅时的资产从不足500万美元增加到了大约

somewhere between $20 million and $50 millionin assets, and much of that had come through(90)
资产介于2000万美元至5,000万美元之间,其中大部分是通过

these foreign business relationships.(91)
这些外国业务关系。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: A lot of that work remainsmysterious.(92)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:许多工作仍然神秘。

For example, his work in Turkey and with anIranian dissident group may have broken the(93)
例如,他在土耳其和一个伊朗持不同政见者团体的工作可能破坏了

law.(94)
法。

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN: Rudy Giuliani is goingon a fishing trip, as in an information-gathering(95)
美国有线电视新闻网(CNN)布鲁克·巴尔德温(BROOKE BALDWIN):鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)正在进行钓鱼之旅,如在信息收集中

mission, in Ukraine.(96)
任务,在乌克兰。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Ukraine though is at theheart of the impeachment inquiry.(97)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多:乌克兰虽然是弹each调查的核心。

It may also be central to a possible criminalinvestigation into Giuliani.(98)
对于可能对朱利安尼(Giuliani)的刑事调查,这可能也很重要。

CHUCK TODD, Moderator, "Meet The Press": Acriminal investigation into Rudy Giuliani's(99)
查克·托德(Chuck Todd),主持人,“与媒体见面”:对鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)的刑事调查

work in Ukraine.(100)
在乌克兰工作。

HOWARD KURTZ, FOX News: And joining us nowfrom New York is a key figure in the Ukraine(101)
HOWARD KURTZ,FOX新闻:现在从纽约加入我们是乌克兰的重要人物

drama, Rudy Giuliani.(102)
戏剧,鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Giuliani made his firsttrip to Ukraine in 2003.(103)
YAMICHE ALCINDOR:Giuliani于2003年首次前往乌克兰。

That began a decade of consulting and publicitytrips to the country.(104)
那开始了十年来该国的咨询和宣传旅行。

ANDREA BERNSTEIN: People in countries aroundthe world see him as a conduit to the Trump(105)
安德烈·伯恩斯坦(Andrea Bernstein):世界各地的人们都将他视为通向特朗普的管道

administration.(106)
管理。

He began working in Ukraine for the mayorsof various cities, for the mayor of Kharkiv,(107)
他开始在乌克兰为各个城市的市长,哈尔科夫市长,

for the mayor of Kiev.(108)
为基辅市长。

He began making trips there.(109)
他开始在那里旅行。

It doesn't seem like these trips involvedreal consulting work, maybe a speech, but(110)
这些旅行似乎并没有涉及真正的咨询工作,也许是演讲,但是

certainly appearances.(111)
当然出现。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: During the first two yearsof the Trump administration, Giuliani ramped(112)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):在特朗普政府成立的头两年,朱利安尼(Giuliani)迅速崛起

up his trips to Ukraine.(113)
结束他的乌克兰之旅。

He sought to dig up dirt on President Trump'spolitical rivals there.(114)
他试图在特朗普总统的政治对手身上挖土。

To do so, he turned to two associates, LevParnas and Igor Fruman.(115)
为此,他求助于两名同事,列夫·帕纳斯(Lev Parnas)和伊戈尔·弗鲁曼(Igor Fruman)。

ANDREA BERNSTEIN: These two individuals, witha series of different kinds of businesses,(116)
安德烈·伯恩斯坦(Andrea Bernstein):这两个人从事一系列不同的业务,

but no real track record in American politics,began to get very, very close and to make(117)
但是在美国政治中没有真​​正的往绩记录,开始变得非常非常紧密,

very generous donations to Trump's politicalcauses.(118)
对特朗普的政治事业非常慷慨的捐款。

What was unusual about this is that they reallydidn't have a business profile, and yet they(119)
与此不同的是,他们确实没有业务简介,但是他们

were making contributions running up to thehundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican(120)
向共和党捐款数十万美元

political causes.(121)
政治原因。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Giuliani dispatched Parnasand Fruman to Kiev, the capital city of Ukraine.(122)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):朱利安尼(Giuliani)将帕尔纳斯(Parnas)和弗鲁曼(Fruman)派往乌克兰的首都基辅。

They were to uncover information to underminethe U.S. intelligence community and special(123)
他们将发现信息以破坏美国情报界和特种部队

counsel Mueller's findings that Russia interferedin the 2016 election.(124)
穆勒的顾问发现俄罗斯干预了2016年大选。

In their efforts, the two connected Giulianiwith the Ukrainian prosecutor general at the(125)
在他们的努力中,两人将朱利安尼与乌克兰检察长联系起来。

time, Yuriy Lutsenko.(126)
时间,尤里·卢琴科(Yuriy Lutsenko)。

RUDY GIULIANI: Lutsenko is somebody that,at one point in the past year said, that he(127)
鲁迪·古利亚尼(RUDY GIULIANI):卢岑科在过去一年中曾说过他

had information that could be damaging tothe Bidens and was working closely with Rudy(128)
掌握可能会损坏拜登一家的信息,并与Rudy密切合作

Giuliani in his effort to, as Giuliani sawit, expose some kind of malfeasance by the(129)
朱利安尼(Giuliani)努力,如朱利安尼(Giuliani)所见,暴露出某种形式的渎职行为。

Biden family.(130)
拜登一家。

Now, it's worth saying that there is no suchevidence of that.(131)
现在,值得一提的是,还没有这样的证据。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Giuliani's meetings withthe Ukrainian prosecutor are an important(132)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多:朱利安尼与乌克兰检察官的会晤很重要

thread in the impeachment investigation.(133)
弹investigation调查中的线索。

As for Parnas and Fruman, they ran into theirown legal troubles.(134)
至于帕纳斯和弗鲁曼,他们遇到了自己的法律麻烦。

WILLIAM SWEENEY, Assistant FBI Director: ThisInvestigation is about corrupt behavior, deliberate(135)
联邦调查局局长威廉·斯威尼(WILLIAM SWEENEY):该调查是关于故意的腐败行为的

lawbreaking.(136)
违法的。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The two have been indictedby federal prosecutors for allegedly illegally(137)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):这两人已被联邦检察官起诉,罪名是涉嫌非法

funneling campaign contributions to get theU.S. ambassador to Ukraine removed from her(138)
漏斗竞选捐款,以免除美国驻乌克兰大使的职务

post, among other charges.(139)
邮寄以及其他费用。

JOHN SULLIVAN, U.S. Ambassador to Russia Nominee:My knowledge in the spring and summer of this(140)
美国驻俄罗斯大使JOHN SULLIVAN:我在春季和夏季的知识

year about any involvement of Mr. Giulianiwas in connection with a campaign against(141)
朱利亚尼先生的任何参与的一年都与反对

our ambassador to Ukraine.(142)
我们驻乌克兰的大使。

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: That was President Trump'snominee to be ambassador of Russia, Deputy(143)
亚米奇·奥尔辛多(YAMICHE ALCINDOR):那是特朗普总统提名的俄罗斯大使,副代表

Secretary of State John Sullivan, in his publicconfirmation hearing before the Senate last(144)
国务卿约翰·沙利文(John Sullivan)在参议院最后一次公开听证会上

month.(145)
月。

As these questions swirl, Giuliani has beennoticeably absent from his once frequent TV(146)
随着这些问题的旋转,朱利安尼(Jiuliani)明显不在他曾经经常看电视的地方

appearances.(147)
出场。

He has been subpoenaed by the U.S. House.(148)
他被美国众议院传唤。

So far, he is refusing to comply.(149)
到目前为止,他仍拒绝遵守。

For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Yamiche Alcindor.(150)
对于“ PBS NewsHour”,我是Yamiche Alcindor。


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